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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay fair enough. So where do you stand on it?
    Marriage and government should get a divorce.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Marriage and government should get a divorce.
    No, they shouldn't. People should just do their jobs. If they can't do that fairly for all, then they need to find a new job.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    And nothing whatsoever prohibits each state from defining what contracts within it are legally valid.

    I would personally like a broad freedom of contract explicitly stated as a constitutional right, but it would require an amendment. Without such, the federal government has no authority to dictate this matter.



    The 14th has zero relevance here; that has been a illogical legal farce since the first time it was uttered.

    At best, the court could have argued Article IV, Section I - "Full faith and credit." They didn't. So their opinion has no rational basis within the law, and all Article IV, Section I would have required if applied to the matter of marriage would be for a state to recognize the marriages performed in OTHER states. That would be a reasonable standard with a basis in the text of the Constitution.

    What we have now is the abandonment of any pretense of the rule of law.



    By the text of the United States Constitution, which does not grant the federal government any authority over marriage nor prohibits the states from having said authority, you are objectively wrong.

    As is often the case, the various branches of the federal government are pretending that the 10th Amendment has already been repealed - they are just ignoring its very existence.
    This is what I find interesting. the SCOTUS struck down the defense of marriage act because they said that the federal government did not have the power to define marriage.
    so what the SCOTUS did was break their own previous ruling by ruling by defining marriage at the federal level.

    I think it needs to be reargued under that argument.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    just because they are a public employee they do not give up their 1st amendment rights one of which is free exercise of religions.
    IE the government cannot force them to do something against their religious beliefs.

    if anything texas will have to make reasonable accommodations for those people and find someone who will issue them.
    The 1st Amendment does not protect them from not having to do their job, which is to issue marriage licenses or perform marriages. If they can't do that for all, without discriminating, then they need to find a new job. Just like this guy did.

    Louisiana justice who refused interracial marriage resigns - CNN.com
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Marriage and government should get a divorce.
    What ever and pigs should be able to sing

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, they shouldn't. People should just do their jobs. If they can't do that fairly for all, then they need to find a new job.
    Yes they should. Why should marriage require a license? Why should someone need to ask permission from the government to get married? How does that make sense at all?

    Why do people get benefits for being married anyway? That makes zero sense.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Yes they should. Why should marriage require a license? Why should someone need to ask permission from the government to get married? How does that make sense at all?

    Why do people get benefits for being married anyway? That makes zero sense.
    Absofreakinglutely.

    Marriage licenses should not be a thing.

    Regardless of that, I agree with your point that this violation of the 10th Amendment is inexcusable.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What ever and pigs should be able to sing
    Its pigs should be able to fly. Get it right.

    And government should get out of marriage. If they are going to do anything all it should be is to protect people from being forced into marriages. That's it.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    Yes they should. Why should marriage require a license? Why should someone need to ask permission from the government to get married? How does that make sense at all?

    Why do people get benefits for being married anyway? That makes zero sense.
    You don't need permission to be with someone or be involved in a private marriage. You do need "permission" or rather recognition though if you want benefits, rights, protections for that legal kinship. Just as you need to go through the proper channels to adopt a child, to establish a legal kinship with a child that isn't yours. And unless you want to face or have your child face some serious problems in the future, you also need to file for a birth certificate to establish that legal kinship as well.

    We value familial relationships and encourage them, as well as protect those with such relationships. Spouse is a familial relationship, hence the benefits associated with it. There is much more as well, but I don't feel like going into it again.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Now we get to see if a SCOTUS decision to expand one group's rights actually trumps an enumerated right that has been protected since the 1st amendment was created. This is when things get interesting.
    Failing to perform your duties is not a constitutionally protected right.
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