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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you actually have to prove it. I don't know any recognized religion that practices that.
    Actually, no. The Supreme Court, in the Hobby Lobby case, already said you didn't have to prove anything, you just had to assert that you had a religious belief.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

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    Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger Effect?
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    No, I'm watching it in your posts. Go away, troll.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, no. The Supreme Court, in the Hobby Lobby case, already said you didn't have to prove anything, you just had to assert that you had a religious belief.
    again show a religious belief that believes like that?
    good luck getting hired to begin with.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    again show a religious belief that believes like that?
    Don't have to. I can have a religion of 1.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    The state and government cannot force someone to violate their religious beliefs. the SCOTUS has ruled on this constantly.
    yes that is exactly it. their rights will be stripped and the government cannot do that.
    They're ruled that a Judge, if he doesn't believe a law complies with God's law, can ignore it? That an agent of the state can deny services to someone if that person fails a religious test of the agent's sole definition? Give me a cite to a court case.

    if it is a violation of their religious beliefs the government cannot force them. to do so would be a religious discrimination.
    I suppose that's true. They can alternatively quit or be fired. A judge disbarred, etc.

    arbitrary meaning you have to just assume they didn't believe that way to begin with.
    if they firmly believe that marriage is between a man and a women the government cannot force them to
    violate their religious beliefs. it is constitutionally protected.
    No, I make no judgment about whether a person believes blacks and whites are an affront to god. I just know that I don't care what they believe, they're obligated as an agent of the state to issue a license to Justice Thomas and wife Virginia. Or they can find another job. But complying with the law over their government duties isn't optional, or dependent on if those laws perfectly fit into their own, personal, religiously allowed box. They cannot impose religious tests as a condition of granting a license.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They're ruled that a Judge, if he doesn't believe a law complies with God's law, can ignore it? That an agent of the state can deny services to someone if that person fails a religious test of the agent's sole definition? Give me a cite to a court case.
    the state has to make reasonable allowances to a persons religious belief. that is law and constitutional.


    I suppose that's true. They can alternatively quit or be fired. A judge disbarred, etc.
    not at all that is religious discrimination and against the law. religious beliefs are a protected class.


    No, I make no judgment about whether a person believes blacks and whites are an affront to god. I just know that I don't care what they believe, they're obligated as an agent of the state to issue a license to Justice Thomas and wife Virginia. Or they can find another job. But complying with the law over their government duties isn't optional, or dependent on if those laws perfectly fit into their own, personal, religiously allowed box. They cannot impose religious tests as a condition of granting a license.
    I know you don't care you prove it every post you make. that still doesn't mean what you think is correct.
    the constitution and religious discrimination laws protects people religious views and rights.

    the government cannot force someone to violate those and they have to make reasonable accommodations.
    the first amendment protection their exercise of religion.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Attorney General Paxton: Religious Liberties of Texas Public Officials Remain Constitutionally Protected After Obergefell v. Hodges

    Attorney General Ken Paxton today made the following statement and issued an opinion in response to questions about the impact of Obergefell v. Hodges, the case that redefined marriage:

    “Friday, the United States Supreme Court again ignored the text and spirit of the Constitution to manufacture a right that simply does not exist. In so doing, the Court weakened itself and weakened the rule of law, but did nothing to weaken our resolve to protect religious liberty and return to democratic self-government in the face of judicial activists attempting to tell us how to live. Cont.
    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/static/5144.html
    Above is the link to the statement made by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.
    His full opinion is linked here.

    “Justices of the peace and judges similarly retain religious freedoms, and may claim that the government cannot force them to conduct same-sex wedding ceremonies over their religious objections, when other authorized individuals have no objection, because it is not the least restrictive means of the government ensuring the ceremonies occur. The strength of any such claim depends on the particular facts of each case.”
    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/static/5144.html
    He sounds like a person trying to make a name and build a reputation as a hard line conservative. Sounds to me like he wants to use this move as the stepping stone to bigger and better things.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    you actually have to prove it. I don't know any recognized religion that practices that.
    If their religion prohibits a clerk whose job it is to clerk issuing gun permits, can she keep her job is she simply denies all permits to everyone? I don't see why not because lots of religions or religious beliefs would object to the proliferation of firearms! And some mayor in a librul, gun hatin' city can just hire only those people who happen to religiously object to issuing firearms permits, and we've neutered the 2nd Amendment laws in that city or state!

    Lots of ways these "optional" laws can be used to our advantage! The possibilities are endless. IRS agents who object to taxes in excess of 10%. After all if god only requires 10%, Caesar shouldn't demand more! She surely cannot be fired for only collecting what her religion informs her is appropriate!

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