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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Paxton: State workers can deny licenses to same-sex couples

    Here we go the first actual decent from the Joy. I think this is doomed before it starts. There is no end to hate and judgement IMO. Thoughts.
    It is a waste of Texas taxpayer money to litigate this. It's not hate. It's a politician putting himself in an attractive light with his constituency.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry. What was I thinking consulting a dictionary when discussing the definition of a word?

    Great comeback, by the way. This way you don't actually have to address the fact most of those who are in opposition to same sex marriage are trying to redefine marriage to subjugate others in violation of the 1st Amendment.
    Notice Countryboy didn't offer any other definition.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I expect better from Texas.
    Why? Texas usually leads the way in obnoxious, hate-filled nonsense.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Are there any circumstances in which the state can deny a person a gun license, in violation of the very real right enumerated in the 2nd Amendment, without them having broken any laws?
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Notice Countryboy didn't offer any other definition.
    How about this one?


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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How about this one?

    Well, yeah. But, we all know how much he lies.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is a waste of Texas taxpayer money to litigate this. It's not hate. It's a politician putting himself in an attractive light with his constituency.
    A constituency that I'd bet diamonds to dirt isn't all that fond of gay people to begin with.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate your answer would be to punish Christians
    Umm...who is punishing Christians? I didn't say anything about that, please re-read again.

    However, if traditionally marriages conducted in churches have been honoured by courts, how would your solution not be punitive and seen as such?
    How is removing government benefits from religious ceremonies punitive, especially given the complaints Christians have been lodging about it?

    Again, please re-read my post again. I feel as if you completely misunderstood what was said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Notice Countryboy didn't offer any other definition.
    Not surprising...most definitions provided by those opposed to same sex marriage generally violate the first amendment and they know it.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Not surprising...most definitions provided by those opposed to same sex marriage generally violate the first amendment and they know it.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064768796

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I understand your point, I'm not buying it, and I'm saying let's test it. There's no animus if a State goes out of the marriage business. If a State removes all legislation related to marriage licenses, the issuance of them, the validity of them, who can perform marriages, etc., it is actually opening up the business of marriage rather than stunting it. It is saying as a government they are letting the free market and private enterprise take over. It's not prohibiting marriage, it's just getting out of the way. How is that a sign of animus?
    The problem is the state can't (realistically in this reality in 2015) get completely out of that business. It will have dozens or hundreds of laws that distinguish between a married person and a single person having to do with all kinds of contract rights and responsibilities, debt, child rearing, divorce, etc. And even if Texas repeals ALL its laws, the married couple in Texas will travel to other states with those laws. And so it will have to define the qualifications for "marriage" and who is legally allowed to perform them, and the rights of each party when that marriage terminates, and how a couple goes about doing that. The "free market" doesn't make laws and so cannot assume those functions.

    Let's say the state delegates that responsibility to Koch Enterprises - gives them a contract or permission to issue those licenses. A condition of that contract or that permission to grant marriage licenses with Koch has to be that the private firm issue licenses in accordance with all applicable laws, which will require them to issue them to all qualified couples, including SSMs. They can't get around the legal obligation by assigning their duties to a third party.

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