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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Stupid argument. A 14 year old, just like a dog, chimp, or inanimate object, cannot consent. Legal consent by both parties is a legal prerequisite for any marriage.
    How is it possible a fourteen year old can't consent? I'm pretty sure my fourteen year old daughter doesn't consent to cleaning her room.

    I'm also pretty sure that seventeen year old that was forced to take medical treatment by the state didn't consent to it.

    I suppose making up a standard completely divorced from reality makes sense though.

    At least be honest and say that children can consent, but it is being overwritten. This "children can not consent" crap is bull****.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Constitutional law 101: What is an is not constitutional is determined by the federal court system, not by some dude going by the name of clownboy on an internet forum.
    Nor some dude on the internet calling himself SouthernDemocrat. But then look at my sig for the words of the CHIEF JUSTICE of that federal court you reference.
    Roberts wrote: "If you are among the many Americans -- of whatever sexual orientation -- who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. ... But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL.

    I rest my case.
    Your case was you pretending that the words of 1 justice who was never going to vote in favor of gay marriage somehow implies a crisis is afoot. It doesn't. Hell, you could add Thomas, Scalia and Alito to the mix and all you'd have is 4 Conservative justices who were never going to side with gay marriage. That does not reflect a constitutional crisis. Are you even trying?
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your case was you pretending that the words of 1 justice who was never going to vote in favor of gay marriage somehow implies a crisis is afoot. It doesn't. Hell, you could add Thomas, Scalia and Alito to the mix and all you'd have is 4 Conservative justices who were never going to side with gay marriage. That does not reflect a constitutional crisis. Are you even trying?
    There was more than one Justice's quotes there Hatuey.

    And again, your unqualified amateur opinion has been noted.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    There was more than one Justice's quotes there Hatuey.
    That's why I mentioned Scalia, Thomas and Alito.

    And again, your unqualified amateur opinion has been noted.
    *and supported by more justices and lawyers than yours.

    You can keep pretending this is some sort of constitutional crisis, however it simply isn't and I'd be surprised if this was still in discussion beyond minutia by the end of the month.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can keep pretending this is some sort of constitutional crisis, however it simply isn't and I'd be surprised if this was still in discussion beyond minutia by the end of the month.
    Yeah, the announcement by the SCOTUS that the constitution no longer matters in their decision making process is met by the sound of crickets. And you think this is a good thing? Of course you do.
    Roberts wrote: "If you are among the many Americans -- of whatever sexual orientation -- who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. ... But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's why I mentioned Scalia, Thomas and Alito.



    *and supported by more justices and lawyers than yours.

    You can keep pretending this is some sort of constitutional crisis, however it simply isn't and I'd be surprised if this was still in discussion beyond minutia by the end of the month.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, the announcement by the SCOTUS that the constitution no longer matters in their decision making process is met by the sound of crickets. And you think this is a good thing? Of course you do.
    Lmao, save the histrionics for somebody who didn't predict exactly how this would happen years in advance. 5 justices made a decision based on their understanding of what the constitution allows. 4 made a decision on their understanding of the same document. One of those justices, a Conservative, gave an emotional speech to show how against the entire matter he was. That tends to happen. End of story, no constitutional crisis. By next month, all people will be doing is bitching that they lost. It happens.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Stupid argument. A 14 year old, just like a dog, chimp, or inanimate object, cannot consent. Legal consent by both parties is a legal prerequisite for any marriage.
    In 37 states a girl of any age can consent to having an abortion at any age without her parent's permission. Why shouldn't they be able to consent to marriage? Of the two, marriage is less traumatizing.
    Also, a few months ago a judge in NY ruled that two chimpanzees had "legal person" status.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    That's not an argument I'm making. The Feds could, arguably should, take over licensing. Or better get the government out of the licensing business altogether. The only real role for the state is to insure that both sides don't misrepresent themselves - i.e. if someone says they aren't married that they really aren't married, to adjudicate cases where the marriage contract isn't complied with and to insure that minors are cared for. Outside of that people should be able to craft their own marriage agreement - even if it's to say "we'll use a government drafted template contract."

    The reality is that it won't happen. Any state stupid enough to suspend issuing all marriage licenses is going to get its ass kicked both by the Feds and it's own citizens. I know if I was looking to marry and NY indefinitely halted issuance of marriage licenses over this my next stop after the NY clerk's office would be the courthouse.
    That's fair - and we agree - I've been saying for ages, and ever since I've been a member on this site, that the government should not be in the marriage business in the 21st century, period. There is no compelling government rationale for them to be in the marriage business and their involvement only complicates the freedom of choice individuals should have in choosing how to manage, organize and live their private lives.

    Sure, it would take a great deal of willpower and ability to withstand upheaval, but if this isn't the opportunity to do it then there never will be one and that's a great opportunity lost, in my view.
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