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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Time to get out that Confederate flag again huh. States have no right to discriminate.
    Don't know what the **** you're on about.

    Don't give a ****, neither.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is simply going to get the state sued, for monetary amounts, as well as these clerks. If I were them, I'd think about that before they deny any marriage licenses. The SCOTUS is not going to allow this, nor are other federal courts and it will move quickly. This is assuming that Obama and the Justice Department doesn't step in before that time.
    I dont think SCOTUS is going to get involved anytime soon. The Texas attorney general, though obviously condeming the decision,did not state that Texas as a whole would refuse to issue licenses to gays.

    Rather, he stated that under Texas law, individual clerks can refuse to issue them. My guess is that all the federal courts, Obama, and the justice departnment will require is that a willing clerk be available.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    State laws and actions cannot violate constitutional protections. If the state is acting with animus in not issuing marriage licenses to anyone, then by definition that state's actions are clearly unconstitutional and thus unlawful in light of Friday's ruling.
    Texas as a whole is not refusing to issue marriage licenses to gays. Rather, state law allows individual clerks to decline to issue one. In short, one has the right to a SSM marriage in Texas. One however, does not have the right that the license be issued by a particular clerk.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I suggest you look up "insult" as just about every post you have contains some kind of sneering personal aside.
    Report them, then. However, seeing as I'm still here, a lot of people probably don't agree with your understanding of forum rules and when they're being violated.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

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    Still nothing? Good. Carry on.
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    At least we both agree on the value of each others posts.
    Mine have substance, yours don't seem to do anything but expose the grouchy little attitude the right developed 30 seconds after the ruling came out.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Report them, then. However, seeing as I'm still here, a lot of people probably don't agree with your understanding of forum rules and when they're being violated.


    You must have a reading comprehension problem.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    State laws and actions cannot violate constitutional protections. If the state is acting with animus in not issuing marriage licenses to anyone, then by definition that state's actions are clearly unconstitutional and thus unlawful in light of Friday's ruling.
    A State that ceases to issue State paper authorizing marriage isn't violating anyone's constitutional protections and isn't providing discriminatory access to any one group or another - it's simply not in the business any longer. It is not passing any laws prohibiting anyone from getting married.

    The Supreme Court determined there was a constitutional right to abortion. Does that mean that States must establish abortion clinics? No. It simply means that States can't bar abortion clinics from establishing operations within the State. Likewise, the State will not bar the federal government or any entity it wishes to create from establishing marriage parlours or marriage license issuing offices within their State.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How is a State denying a couple the right to marry if it doesn't issue licenses to anyone? They can still marry in a church, or they can marry in another State. And why should the State carry the Feds water? If the Feds offer benefits for marriage, they can damn well arrange to marry people. How is this any different from the ACA insurance exchanges that some States refuse to enact?
    You need a marriage license issued by the state to get married within that state. You cannot have a legally recognized Church marriage without a state issued marriage license. If a state doesn't issue marriage licenses they deny everyone within the state the right to marry. As far as I know that's the law in every state.

    As for residency - a few states have residency requirements but most don't as far as I know. So yes in theory you could go to another state. That would prove to be a huge inconvenience to most people and may it impossible for some.

    The way this country does marriage is stupid. States handle the licensing but many benefits derive from the Federal government. It's dumb but it is the way it is. There is no way a state is going to get away with shirking its licensing responsibility. I'd be willing to bed any state that tried would be sued to death by it's own residents.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I suppose states could deny licenses to everyone in that state but the 99% or so of straight couples having to travel maybe 5 hours across state lines to get their license probably won't be happy.

    But I doubt even that passes legal scrutiny.
    If the constituents of the State don't like it, they can elect new representative government. My point is that States shouldn't look to break the law to oppose it, they should simply remove themselves from the equation.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You must have a reading comprehension problem.
    Still here? Complaining about imagined insults? Carry on.
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