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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Issuance of marriage licenses is a State responsibility. Some federal benefits are conditioned on being married. For a state to deny a couple the right to marry denies them Federal benefits they'd be otherwise qualified to receive and thus deny them equal protection.
    How is a State denying a couple the right to marry if it doesn't issue licenses to anyone? They can still marry in a church, or they can marry in another State. And why should the State carry the Feds water? If the Feds offer benefits for marriage, they can damn well arrange to marry people. How is this any different from the ACA insurance exchanges that some States refuse to enact?
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If pigs had wings they wouldn't bump their fannies so much.

    It's amazing we went from a proposed constitutional amendment banning SSM to actually making them legal in less than a decade.
    Makes you wonder what's next. Mandating a certain percentage of SSM to the real thing?

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Interesting, I didn't know it was an insult to point out somebody's lack of substance if that's exactly what their post shows... I'm guessing you were expecting a round of applause? I'm sorry to disappoint you. Anyways, their dissenting opinions have not created a constitutional crisis either. The only ones running around like chicken littles with their heads cut off are the same people who would have been doing it if the outcome was anything less than victory for them. By next month, they'll simply be complaining that states have a right to discriminate against citizens based on gender, sexuality. That argument was heard 50 years ago when it concerned race, and it was shot down. The same will happen here. Much ado...
    Thank you Justice Hatuey. And I do mean that with the utmost respect.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    That won't happen...do you really think Christians who have enjoyed their marriage benefits for decades untold will want to live without them? You know, like they demand homosexuals do?

    Of course not.

    The better answer is to completely detach the religious and the governmental definitions of marriage. If a Christian couple wishes to be married in the church, that's fine, but it holds no governmental benefits until they do it before a judge and the judge cannot hold the marriage ceremony within X feet of a church. This way, there is no discrimination under the law. But, again, this will likely inconvenience and anger Christians, because they sure as hell don't deserve to have to work for their benefits...like they demand of homosexuals...
    The problem here is those who oppose gay marriage the most seem not to understand what it would mean if they were discriminated against based on their religion.

    I suspect if Christians were to be denied a license to marry simply because they are Christian, they would be outraged (as well they should be, even though religious views are far more of a choice than sexuality).
    I appreciate your answer would be to punish Christians - the left makes a living on carrying that banner. However, if traditionally marriages conducted in churches have been honoured by courts, how would your solution not be punitive and seen as such?

    The federal government has offices all over every State so it's quite simple to establish a federal marriage license that will be honoured when doling out federal largesse. No different from any other federal program.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How is a State denying a couple the right to marry if it doesn't issue licenses to anyone? They can still marry in a church, or they can marry in another State. And why should the State carry the Feds water? If the Feds offer benefits for marriage, they can damn well arrange to marry people. How is this any different from the ACA insurance exchanges that some States refuse to enact?
    State laws and actions cannot violate constitutional protections. If the state is acting with animus in not issuing marriage licenses to anyone, then by definition that state's actions are clearly unconstitutional and thus unlawful in light of Friday's ruling.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How is a State denying a couple the right to marry if it doesn't issue licenses to anyone? They can still marry in a church, or they can marry in another State. And why should the State carry the Feds water? If the Feds offer benefits for marriage, they can damn well arrange to marry people. How is this any different from the ACA insurance exchanges that some States refuse to enact?
    I suppose states could deny licenses to everyone in that state but the 99% or so of straight couples having to travel maybe 5 hours across state lines to get their license probably won't be happy.

    But I doubt even that passes legal scrutiny.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    The authority of the states and the authority of the people of each state to set policy within their state on those matters in which the U.S. Constitution are silent, per the 10th Amendment, has absolutely been violated.
    Time to get out that Confederate flag again huh. States have no right to discriminate.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Interesting, I didn't know it was an insult to point out somebody's lack of substance if that's exactly what their post shows... I'm guessing you were expecting a round of applause? I'm sorry to disappoint you. Anyways, their dissenting opinions have not created a constitutional crisis either. The only ones running around like chicken littles with their heads cut off are the same people who would have been doing it if the outcome was anything less than victory for them. By next month, they'll simply be complaining that states have a right to discriminate against citizens based on gender, sexuality. That argument was heard 50 years ago when it concerned race, and it was shot down. The same will happen here. Much ado...


    I suggest you look up "insult" as just about every post you have contains some kind of sneering personal aside. "you must have a reading comprehension problem" gets past the censors but is what it is, a lame comeback and an insult

    Try debating for a change
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thank you Justice Hatuey. And I do mean that with the utmost respect.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I suppose states could deny licenses to everyone in that state but the 99% or so of straight couples having to travel maybe 5 hours across state lines to get their license probably won't be happy.

    But I doubt even that passes legal scrutiny.
    It doesn't pass legal scrutiny. If a state denied marriage licenses to everyone in an attempt to avoid issuing same sex marriage licenses, then that state is acting with animus and thus its actions would be unconstitutional.
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