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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Did you not actually read what I said? Try again, paying particular attention to the part where I said to separate the religious and governmental ceremonies.
    It didn't redefine marriage. In fact, just perusing dictionary.com, the definition of marriage says nothing about marriage being only between a man and woman.

    Marriage | Define Marriage at Dictionary.com

    It does seem to me the only group trying to redefine marriage are those who are trying to define it as ONLY a man and woman.
    I'm willing to bet that the arguments in favor of anti-miscegenation laws in the lead up to the 1967 SCOTUS ruling involved definitions that marriage was strictly between people of the same race. I'm willing to bet a lot, actually.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Dictionary.com, well, I guess that settles it.
    Oh, I'm sorry. What was I thinking consulting a dictionary when discussing the definition of a word?

    Great comeback, by the way. This way you don't actually have to address the fact most of those who are in opposition to same sex marriage are trying to redefine marriage to subjugate others in violation of the 1st Amendment.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Dictionary.com, well, I guess that settles it.
    If dictionary.com doesn't do it for you, will the law? Because the law states that people of different races, genders and the same gender can be married.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm willing to bet that the arguments in favor of anti-miscegenation laws in the lead up to the 1967 SCOTUS ruling involved definitions that marriage was strictly between people of the same race. I'm willing to bet a lot, actually.
    I wouldn't doubt it. Bigots will always try to rationalize their discriminatory views, no matter how silly it might make them look.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If dictionary.com doesn't do it for you, will the law? Because the law states that people of different races, genders and the same gender can be married.
    No, the only reference most of those who oppose same sex marriage will use is their religious definition...just ignore that whole first amendment thing. Unless they want to play the role of the persecuted. Then we need the first amendment.

    So, in summary, the first amendment only exists when it's convenient for Christians. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Bull****, this could've been accomplished years ago by civil unions. It was not necessary to redefine marriage.
    It might could have been accomplished but did not. States that passed amendments to ban SSM also (mostly) banned recognition of civil unions. So the "could have" is akin to "if pigs had wings..... "

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think I did find a problem with your post, and I chose a light hearted way of communicating that. I should have accounted for the absence of a sense of humor, so for that I apologize.

    Please carry on with your insults and Constitutional Scholar level opinions. The four Supreme Court justices should have consulted you before posting their dissents.
    Interesting, I didn't know it was an insult to point out somebody's lack of substance if that's exactly what their post shows... I'm guessing you were expecting a round of applause? I'm sorry to disappoint you. Anyways, their dissenting opinions have not created a constitutional crisis either. The only ones running around like chicken littles with their heads cut off are the same people who would have been doing it if the outcome was anything less than victory for them. By next month, they'll simply be complaining that states have a right to discriminate against citizens based on gender, sexuality. That argument was heard 50 years ago when it concerned race, and it was shot down. The same will happen here. Much ado...
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Mine was a serious question because I see a potential conflict with the 1st amendment that will have to be addressed at some point. If you aren't interested, or not capable of taking part in that discussion, that fine. I'll treat your replies with all the seriousness they deserve.
    But we are talking about agents of the state. They must issue licenses to every couple who qualifies. Period. They cannot impose a religious test as a condition of that license. That religious test is exactly what the first amendment prohibits.

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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Please, by all means explain to me how other people you've never met getting married tramples your right to your religion. There's only a conflict if you feel it is your right to force your religion on others. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Think it's a sin to serve food to homosexuals? Don't open a public business and you won't be subject to public accommodation laws. Problem solved.
    Okay, so I'll put you down as "not capable".
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I expect better from Texas.
    Life will be a big disappointment for you then.
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    Re: Texas AG Says Workers Can Refuse Marriage Licenses to Gays

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It might could have been accomplished but did not. States that passed amendments to ban SSM also (mostly) banned recognition of civil unions. So the "could have" is akin to "if pigs had wings..... "
    If pigs had wings they wouldn't bump their fannies so much.

    It's amazing we went from a proposed constitutional amendment banning SSM to actually making them legal in less than a decade.
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