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Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

Roadvirus said:
So....anyway care to defend Amazon.com and it's support for murderous commies?
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Companies can behave however they want. I think it's silly not to sell the Confederate Flag or products that utilize it but it isn't my business. My only concern is keeping that flag off of public property.
 
Moot said:
The confederacy is just another word for traitor.
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And Moot is just another word for something that is subject to uncertainty.......
 
Sherman123 said:
Companies can behave however they want. I think it's silly not to sell the Confederate Flag or products that utilize it but it isn't my business. My only concern is keeping that flag off of public property.
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So, even if that public property is a civil war memorial or burial site?
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Sad thing is we are not blaming our horribly pathetic mental health system for these mass shootings, but a flag. That is very sad.
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This is a disingenuous comment.

Without the societal acceptance of racism and the atmosphere of privilege and entitlement which the flag embodies, the terrorist Roof would have just shot himself for being a loser. The flag gave him a symbol to rally around.
 
Harman said:
This is a disingenuous comment.

Without the societal acceptance of racism and the atmosphere of privilege and entitlement which the flag embodies, the terrorist Roof would have just shot himself for being a loser. The flag gave him a symbol to rally around.
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Harman said:
This is a disingenuous comment.

Without the societal acceptance of racism and the atmosphere of privilege and entitlement which the flag embodies, the terrorist Roof would have just shot himself for being a loser. The flag gave him a symbol to rally around.
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Yes, people don't just latch onto things to rationalize their thoughts. Something like that would never happen. Nope.
 
Henrin said:
Yes, people don't just latch onto things to rationalize their thoughts. Something like that would never happen. Nope.
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I think you are kind of agreeing with me...
 
Henrin said:
Your sarcasm detector is broken.
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I do not own/possess a "sarcasm detector". Therefore, it cannot be broken.

The flag is the perfect symbol of white supremacy. It's like the swastika. Take it away and people like Roof don't feel like they are being displaced from their rightful place at the top of the food chain.
 
Deuce said:
Yes. Because right now that's what the market wants.
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No. That's what people with an agenda wanted...and they got it when our President and others turned a mass murder into a political issue
 
JumpinJack said:
One difference is obvious: Lenin and Stalin were leaders of a country. Guevara was a revolutionary considered by many to be a hero. Don't know if he was also an official.
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So what if they were leaders and/or "a revolutionary"? They still committed MASS MURDER, all in the name of an ideology. That is exactly what the big ****-flinging is about with the Confederate flag: Ideology.


Second difference: The latter are people. The former is a symbol.
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So? They still commited horrendous crimes. Why should they be idolized?
 
A company made a choice. It was their choice to make. It was their right to make it. There is nothing that dictates they have to sell confederate merchandise. If you disagree with their decision, DONT SHOP THERE! Or at the very least buy your racist crap elsewhere. If you have money and want to buy this garbage I am sure someone will sell it to you. Why is this anymore complicated than that?
 
Harman said:
This is a disingenuous comment.

Without the societal acceptance of racism and the atmosphere of privilege and entitlement which the flag embodies, the terrorist Roof would have just shot himself for being a loser. The flag gave him a symbol to rally around.
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Does the fact that he had to be mentally ill cross your mind at all?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Are you saying that the use of the Confederate BF requires one to be "mentally ill"?
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I never said that. I said its obvious that the guy was off his rocker. I don't care if he used any flag out there, he was obviously not all there upstairs. That much should be obvious.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
Does the fact that he had to be mentally ill cross your mind at all?
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But he wasn't mentally ill if you stop and look at it.

It is interesting that people on the Right are trying to claim that Dylann was obviously insane or on drugs. But the manifesto did not really seem like the rant of an insane man. The motivation of his attack was clear - he felt his people were under attack and he had an obligation to strike back.
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
I never said that. I said its obvious that the guy was off his rocker. I don't care if he used any flag out there, he was obviously not all there upstairs. That much should be obvious.
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I read this claim from lots of right wingers, trying to divert the discussion of racism to "mental illness", the problems with this are numerous, above all, this armchair diagnosis has no basis in facts. It is an avoidance of fact, the fact is he indulged in racist rants, surrounded himself in racist paraphernalia, espoused racist rhetoric as he was killing his Black victims.

I suppose one can go back through previous attacks on Black churches and revise the motivations of the assailants to "insanity".....but that would be pure hogwash, just as it would be hogwash to say that the 9-11 hijackers were "mentally ill", that their prime motivation for carrying out their terrorism was not ideology.
 
Caine said:
So.... then you have documentation proving that he was turned down for requested mental health assistance at some relevant point before the shooting????
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He who? I'm talking about the mental health system in the US, not a specific person.
 
SIMON: Do you see anything to suggest an insanity plea in this case?

FOX: No. I would - it's very, very difficult, first of all, to successfully plead insanity in these cases. Generally jury - even if there's compelling evidence that insanity is plausible, juries certainly don't buy it. They look at nine people killed and they believe, not wrongly, but they do believe that someone who will get away with murder if they are found not guilty by reason of insanity. There's nothing here that would suggest that he didn't know what he was doing. And I - an insanity plea, in this case, would in all likelihood fail.

Criminal Justice Professor Discusses Charleston Shooting Suspect Dylann Roof : NPR
 
HorseLoverGirl said:
SO was American to the English if you want to go there.
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The British never really owned the colonies. Since there wasn't any government in the New World the colonists that came over to get away from Britain simply kept following British law among themselves because that's all they knew. Britain itself was too busy having a long war with France to care about the colonies and thought they were just some insignificant backwater outpost full of ignorant, trouble makers. In fact, Britiain used to send their riff raff, pick pockets and petty thieves over to America just to get rid of them. But as soon at the war ended, Britain was broke and needed to find funding and that's when they set their eyes on the colonies for taxation..

The point is the colonists were following British law of their own free will and that's why they didn't have representation in parliament. So when the British started to tax them, the colonists said, fine, but we want representation in your government in return. The British ignored their demands and the colonists got angry and booted the Brits back where they came from. So you see, the colonies never really belonged to the British in the first place.

That's a little different than trying to secede from your country in order to keep human beings in bondage against their will, don't you think?
 
Harman said:
But he wasn't mentally ill if you stop and look at it.

It is interesting that people on the Right are trying to claim that Dylann was obviously insane or on drugs. But the manifesto did not really seem like the rant of an insane man. The motivation of his attack was clear - he felt his people were under attack and he had an obligation to strike back.
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So in other words he was another McVeigh, because if you remember McVeigh felt that the US was under attack, particularly the 2nd amendment.
 
Harman said:
But he wasn't mentally ill if you stop and look at it.

It is interesting that people on the Right are trying to claim that Dylann was obviously insane or on drugs. But the manifesto did not really seem like the rant of an insane man. The motivation of his attack was clear - he felt his people were under attack and he had an obligation to strike back.
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So it's not unusual for someone who is perfectly normal and has no signs of mental illness or defect to sit for an hour with 9 people he's about to intentionally murder. Is that about right?
 
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