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Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

Actually, no it was not. You don't even know this much and you're posting about it? This was the flag of the Confederacy:

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Ok. Most prominent. Most recognizable. Most often used in the present day to indicate support of the Confederacy. The point stands.
 
It's all a proxy war against mostly white southern Conservatives who revere the flag. They know who it pisses off, and because they are hateful they want to actively piss them off if they can. I understand removing it from gov property as national symbols are important to recognize/not recognize (we wouldn't fly a foreign country's flag over a capitol, in much the same way the Confederate flag has no place there). If it's really all about purging hateful symbols then why can I still buy Che Guevara stuff, Mao Zedong books/items, Communist flags responsible for many millions of more deaths and other such things. It's all really nothing short of hypocrisy. I mean it's not like pieces of Nazi uniforms aren't for sale on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/German-WWII-R...sbs_193_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0QF5E8Z0TKDQR69TJ9XH
 
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Way to miss the point entirely. I never said the SS were traitors, but rather that you can assign negative (and accurate) characteristics to a group without accounting for every individual within said group for the sake of finding exceptions. That's simply a ridiculous demand and one that cannot be taken seriously. The goals of the Confederacy were racist in nature, by the words of their own leaders.

So by your logic here it is perfectly acceptable to label all blacks as race baiters like Al Sharpton who is considered a leader? Broadly painted brush strokes inevitably lead to a failure.

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a person who is not loyal to his or her own country, friends, etc.

Thanks for showing that you don't know the US's history. Pre-civil war the United States was not considered an actual country. It was a group of sovereign states who banded together for reasons of defense. Why do you think that we have "States" in the US to begin with? Why would a country need a setup like we have here in the US? In fact there is only one other Country that has anything even close to what we have here in the US and that's Canada. All other countries are solid compared to the US.
 
So by your logic here it is perfectly acceptable to label all blacks as race baiters like Al Sharpton who is considered a leader? Broadly painted brush strokes inevitably lead to a failure.

Ones ethnicity cannot change voluntarily. It also does not have elected leaders, stated values and goals as did the Confederacy. What were you saying about failure?

Thanks for showing that you don't know the US's history. Pre-civil war the United States was not considered an actual country. It was a group of sovereign states who banded together for reasons of defense. Why do you think that we have "States" in the US to begin with? Why would a country need a setup like we have here in the US? In fact there is only one other Country that has anything even close to what we have here in the US and that's Canada. All other countries are solid compared to the US.

The dictionary uses more modern terminology. Substitute Federal Union for Country, or keep on playing semantics, feigning as if you actually have an argument. :shrug:
 
Ok. Most prominent. Most recognizable. Most often used in the present day to indicate support of the Confederacy. The point stands.

Except that its not shown in support of the confederacy in present day. Its most often used as a symbol of rebellion. So no, your point doesn't stand.
 
It's all a proxy war against mostly white southern Conservatives who revere the flag. They know who it pisses off, and because they are hateful they want to actively piss them off if they can. I understand removing it from gov property as national symbols are important to recognize/not recognize (we wouldn't fly a foreign country's flag over a capitol, in much the same way the Confederate flag has no place there). If it's really all about purging hateful symbols then why can I still buy Che Guevara stuff, Mao Zedong books/items, Communist flags responsible for many millions of more deaths and other such things. It's all really nothing short of hypocrisy. I mean it's not like pieces of Nazi uniforms aren't for sale on Amazon Amazon.com: German WWII Reproduction Luftwaffe Officer's Cap - 7-1/2": Clothing

one issue no one brings up,is how many rebel and confederate flags fly over graves at arlington cemetary,which was founded during the civil war.this would start to raise issues if any govt property should have no confederate anything,whats to stop next from going onto a national cemetary(govt property) and removing flags and tombstones of people dead well over a century.
 
Ones ethnicity cannot change voluntarily. It also does not have elected leaders, stated values and goals as did the Confederacy. What were you saying about failure?

Alright, by your argument it is perfectly OK to label everyone in our military as imperialistic dogs out for power? Or how about, going by your logic it is perfectly acceptable to label all of our service men and women as criminals because a few killed innocent civilians and then tried to cover it up?

The dictionary uses more modern terminology. Substitute Federal Union for Country, or keep on playing semantics, feigning as if you actually have an argument. :shrug:

First, are you really applying modern definitions to the civil war era? Second: Do you know what "sovereign states" means? And I'm not playing semantics. I'm showing you what our History actually was.
 
No, it was the only flag that represented the faction that fought and died attempting to perpetuate the institution of slavery. If I had a nickel for everytime I've seen this phony, half-ass argument I'd be posting from a Yacht.

The US didn't perpetuate slavery for 87 years? Guess what flag represented the US for those 87 years? Here's a hint, it wasn't the Confederate flag.

Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware, and Maryland were slave states not part of the Confederacy. What flag flew over those states? Here's a hint, it wasn't the Confederate flag.

Think about that while saving you nickles. Or just wallow in denial. I see you're good at it.
 
So tired of hearing this. Prove that they were traitors and that all of them were racist. Show me one single court case of someone convicted for treason that served under that flag. Prove that every single person that fought under that flag was racist.

Prove that none of them were racist.
 
Actually, no it was not. You don't even know this much and you're posting about it? This was the flag of the Confederacy:

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This was the 1st flag of the Confederacy, AKA the stars and bars. There were actually three flags over time that represented the Confederacy. The second was replaced because it looked too much like a surrender flag.

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Those who shout racism refer to the battle flag while calling it the Confederate flag, and are obviously incorrect. I'm sure they know little about what they despise.
 
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This was the 1st flag of the Confederacy, AKA the stars and bars. There were actually three flags over time that represented the Confederacy. The second was replaced because it looked too much like a surrender flag.

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Those who shout racism refer to the battle flag while calling it the Confederate flag, and are obviously incorrect. I'm sure they know little about what they despise.

A fairly trivial detail that ignores the greater issue. Any Confederate flag has the same issue.
 
Alright, by your argument it is perfectly OK to label everyone in our military as imperialistic dogs out for power? Or how about, going by your logic it is perfectly acceptable to label all of our service men and women as criminals because a few killed innocent civilians and then tried to cover it up?

That depends. Is killing innocents and total conquest the stated goals of the US military? Answer that and you'll get the answer to yet another loaded and useless question ;) Also, remember for the umpth time, we're not labeling every individual.

First, are you really applying modern definitions to the civil war era? Second: Do you know what "sovereign states" means? And I'm not playing semantics. I'm showing you what our History actually was.

Definitions tend to adopt modern terminology to remain accurate as time passes. One can very well be traitorous towards a Federal Union in the same manner as a Country, despite it not being used as common vernacular today. Again, semantic quabbling.
 
Sure. The English were also well ahead of the United States in terms of the movement towards the abolition of slavery.

The English didnt have near the agricultural economy that the US had even back then.
 
So....anyway care to defend Amazon.com and it's support for murderous commies?

One difference is obvious: Lenin and Stalin were leaders of a country. Guevara was a revolutionary considered by many to be a hero. Don't know if he was also an official.

Second difference: The latter are people. The former is a symbol.

Third difference: The latter don't have direct connections to a harmful period in our history.

Fourth difference: There have not been any mass murders in recent history by people carrying or wearing pics of those people.

Fifth difference: They are not representations of the denial of any Americans their constitutional rights.

Pitiful to try to connect the selling of the Confederate Flag with pics of historical people. Although I can only imagine the kind of wackos who would buy any of that stuff, whether it's the Confed. flag or pics of dictators.
 
I agree with the person(s) who said that the Confederates were racist traitors and losers, and that displaying the Confederate flag is an open act of disrespect for everything that America stands for.
 
So it bans anything related to the Confederacy, yet has no problem selling replicas of uniforms from a dictatorship that tried to, among other things, annihilate an entire ethnic group

That's what they're doin.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064770436 said:
This was the 1st flag of the Confederacy, AKA the stars and bars. There were actually three flags over time that represented the Confederacy. The second was replaced because it looked too much like a surrender flag.

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Those who shout racism refer to the battle flag while calling it the Confederate flag, and are obviously incorrect. I'm sure they know little about what they despise.


Battle flag, confederate flag...what..difference...does..it..make??? Both flags are standards for the same cause...slavery and oppression. It looks like you know little of what of what YOU are defending, sir.
 
I agree with the person(s) who said that the Confederates were racist traitors and losers, and that displaying the Confederate flag is an open act of disrespect for everything that America stands for.

Except its not, but they have never taught the true history of the South
 
A fairly trivial detail that ignores the greater issue. Any Confederate flag has the same issue.

Ah yes, the greater issue... Then take down all symbols of slavery as well. I'll give you a hint: What flag represents the USA.

What flag was flying over the slave auction center in Philadelphia in 1805?

What flags were flying over the ships from Rhode Island that were trading guns and rum for slaves in 1806?

Which flag was in the chamber of the Supreme Court in 1857 when it declared Dred Scott still legally a slave?

Which flag could be seen by the people locked up in the slave pens in Washington in 1860?

Which flag flew over the U.S. Capitol as newly inaugurated President Abraham Lincoln endorsed the Corwin Amendment to the Constitution that ordered permanent legalization of slavery in 1861?

And which flag flew over the Supreme Court of the United States in 1898 when Jim Crow laws were ruled legal?

Read more here: Monday letters: US flag also flew over slavery | The State The State
 
Battle flag, confederate flag...what..difference...does..it..make??? Both flags are standards for the same cause...slavery and oppression. It looks like you know little of what of what YOU are defending, sir.

And it looks like you know nothing of what you are defending.

The US flag flew over slavery for at least 87 years, the Confederate flag for 4.

You obviously don't get the point. If you want to take down/ban symbols of slavery then take down the US flag too. Or, just continue with your selective outrage, which I'm guessing you will do.
 
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