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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because more customers are upset by confederate flags right now than Che t-shirts.

    Don't think there was ever any motivation besides profit.
    Do you think they actually conducted a poll of their customers? Or did they just make arbitrary decisions?

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    And it looks like you know nothing of what you are defending.

    The US flag flew over slavery for at least 87 years, the Confederate flag for 4.

    You obviously don't get the point. If you want to take down/ban symbols of slavery then take down the US flag too. Or, just continue with your selective outrage, which I'm guessing you will do.
    If the US flag represents slavery then what does the confederate flag represent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Prove that none of them were racist.
    If you are making an accusation of racism... it is up to YOU to prove racism against each and every individual.

    You don't get to make an accusation, and then demand someone else prove you wrong, without supporting your accusations yourself.


    This attitude that once an accusation of racism is made someone has to prove otherwise is absolute garbage, and the lowest of the low in forms of public debate.

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The rebels were racists and traitors.
    One could say the same about those who fought the British in the late 1700s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    One difference is obvious: Lenin and Stalin were leaders of a country. Guevara was a revolutionary considered by many to be a hero. Don't know if he was also an official.

    Second difference: The latter are people. The former is a symbol.

    Third difference: The latter don't have direct connections to a harmful period in our history.

    Fourth difference: There have not been any mass murders in recent history by people carrying or wearing pics of those people.

    Fifth difference: They are not representations of the denial of any Americans their constitutional rights.

    Pitiful to try to connect the selling of the Confederate Flag with pics of historical people. Although I can only imagine the kind of wackos who would buy any of that stuff, whether it's the Confed. flag or pics of dictators.
    So, it is okay to support FOREIGN oppressive leaders and symbols........ just not ones that originated in the U.S.

    Your argument is invalid....

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If the US flag represents slavery then what does the confederate flag represent?
    Since you want a symbol of racism taken down then take them all down. Seems fair to me. To do otherwise is hypocritical.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    One could say the same about those who fought the British in the late 1700s.
    Exactly. I'm sure ol' King George didn't have a high opinion of George Washington and crew after they sailed home in defeat
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Since you want a symbol of racism taken down then take them all down. Seems fair to me. To do otherwise is hypocritical.
    The US didn't fight for slavery, it fought against it. Your argument is stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So tired of hearing this. Prove that they were traitors and that all of them were racist. Show me one single court case of someone convicted for treason that served under that flag. Prove that every single person that fought under that flag was racist.
    Treasonous, no. The people who fought on behalf of the confederacy were bravely fighting for their country; just like the Union troops. Constitutionally you can make a pretty good case for the right of a state to succeed; (as Jefferson argues in protest against the Alien and Sedition Acts).

    But racist, hell yes.

    The south gets to be non-racist unless someone can prove that each individual person in the south was also racist? I think the burden of proof is slightly misplaced. "Prove everyone is" is better constructed as "Prove one isn't".

    If you want to claim that the entire South didn't fight the war for racist reasons, you need to find one person who fought for the South for reasons other than slavery AND who also thought that either slavery was wrong or that blacks and whites should be equal. Moreover, this can't be just a soldier on the ground. This needs to be someone who's opinion mattered at the time. Obviously that's pretty much impossible as most northerners were also racist.

    But this doesn't make the south worse than the north. After all, both the north and the south committed genocide against the Native Americans in the name of manifest destiny. All countries and peoples have "blemishes" in their past.

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