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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He who? I'm talking about the mental health system in the US, not a specific person.
    Then start a thread about "the mental health system" if you are bringing it up and it has nothing to do with the mass murder that created the Confederacy purge.....

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    [...]there were several leaders of those infantrymen who WERE prosecuted for war crimes but not the infantrymen unless they really did something horrible. Can you even do that much in regards to the Confederates?
    Myth: Henry Wirz was the only person tried for war crimes in the Civil War - Andersonville National Historic Site (U.S. National Park Service)

    In fact, there were nearly 1,000 military tribunals in which Confederates, both regulars and guerrillas, were charged with various violations of the laws of war mostly related to the treatment of prisoners of war. Some of these trials even led to acquittals. For example, the camp commander at Salisbury Prison, Major John Gee, was arrested in the fall of 1865 and charged with similar crimes as Wirz. Unlike Wirz, Gee was unanimously acquitted in the spring of 1866. After the war, General Grant actually prevented the tribunal of another of Salisbury's commanders, Bradley T. Johnson, who faced charges of negligence at the prison and for burning Chambersburg, Pennsylvania in the summer of 1864. Even among those convicted, Wirz did not stand alone for the atrocities of Andersonville. James Duncan, who worked in the quartermaster's office at Andersonville, was arrested and convicted of manslaughter by a military tribunal for his role in intentionally withholding rations from prisoners. He was sentenced to hard labor at Fort Pulaski, where he escaped a year later.

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    Perhaps the most enduring claim about Henry Wirz is that he was the only person executed by the Federal government in connection with the Civil War. But this was not the case. For example, more than three hundred Sioux Indians were convicted and sentenced to death by military tribunal in 1862. President Lincoln commuted the sentence of most, but in December 1862 thirty eight were hanged by military tribunal in what remains the largest mass execution in American history. Although his execution is the most famous of the Civil War, Wirz was certainly not the only Confederate to be executed. Perhaps most prominent of these other Confederates to be executed was Champ Ferguson, who was convicted in the fall of 1865 for the execution of at least 53 captured Union soldiers, although Ferguson claimed the total was higher. In another high-profile case, Confederate officer Robert Kennedy was executed by a military tribunal for planting explosives around New York City, including heavily trafficked locations like P.T. Barnum's Museum.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Well we'd probably have similar freak outs about Nazism or communism if a Nazi or orthodox Stalinist decided to shoot up a church and state governments were flying communist or Nazi flags. Context is important.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    So what if they were leaders and/or "a revolutionary"? They still committed MASS MURDER, all in the name of an ideology. That is exactly what the big ****-flinging is about with the Confederate flag: Ideology.



    So? They still commited horrendous crimes. Why should they be idolized?
    You can't be serious.

    Imagine you are black. Imagine you are a citizen of this country. Imagine there was a group of people who used a flag as their representation, who had enslaved you and later on, wanted to kill you or harm you. Now fast forward, and some state govts are STILL waving that flag that represented slavery and oppression of some of the state's citizens. And a terrorist group uses the flag as its representation, as well (the KKK). And a guy just committed a mass murder in a church on behalf of that flag.

    The point is not what other things that arise from other countries that people may want to wear or wave or use. That is IRRELEVANT.

    As for why retailers are not selling the Confed. flag, at least temporarily....are you blind to the fact that a bunch of people were just killed on behalf of that flag? Double geez. Retailers have the right not to sell something connected with mass murder of our citizens.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    You can't be serious.

    Imagine you are black. Imagine you are a citizen of this country. Imagine there was a group of people who used a flag as their representation, who had enslaved you and later on, wanted to kill you or harm you. Now fast forward, and there are people still in that area of the country who wave that same flag.

    Are you totally blind to the fact that the one thing affects your co-citizens directly, and has a history in our country....whereas the other things do not? Geez.

    The point is not what other things that arise from other countries that people may want to wear or wave or use. That is IRRELEVANT.

    The point is the use BY OUR GOVERNMENT of the flag that represented slavery of citizens of our country.

    As for why retailers are not selling the Confed. flag, at least temporarily....are you blind to the fact that a bunch of people were just killed on behalf of that flag? Double geez.
    Actually, that wouldn't be black folks... that would be native Americans and the flag would be the Stars and Stripes, the US flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Actually, that wouldn't be black folks... that would be native Americans and the flag would be the Stars and Stripes, the US flag.
    Don't be ridiculous.

    We didn't even have the flag until after the Revolutionary War. Terrorists are not mass murdering Native Americans on behalf of the American Flag. We also never enslaved the Native Americans.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.

    We didn't even have the flag until after the Revolutionary War. Terrorists are not mass murdering Native Americans on behalf of the American Flag. We also never enslaved the Native Americans.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.

    We didn't even have the flag until after the Revolutionary War. Terrorists are not mass murdering Native Americans on behalf of the American Flag. We also never enslaved the Native Americans.
    Well, there's really not enough American Indians left commit an act of terror against because we kind of killed most of them already. And the American flag, you mean the one that flew over the backs of slaves? The one that flew next to the lynching tree? The one people pledged allegiance to before hosing down protesters with fire hoses? You mean the one that flew over "Whites Only" signs? How do you distinguish one from the other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Then start a thread about "the mental health system" if you are bringing it up and it has nothing to do with the mass murder that created the Confederacy purge.....
    Actually HorseLoverGirl brought it up - so your suggestion is misplaced. And since you decided to muck in with the mental health issue and make a false accusation, you should take your own advice.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Actually HorseLoverGirl brought it up - so your suggestion is misplaced. And since you decided to muck in with the mental health issue and make a false accusation, you should take your own advice.
    I was using it as a topic of THIS discussion.

    You tried to avoid the question by pretending it has nothing to do with this discussion, or that you weren't talking about anyone in particular, that you were talking about it in a "general sense". When speaking of Mental health in a "general sense", it has nothing to do with this discussion. When speaking about it specific to the individual who killed people who created this "confederacy purge", you cannot support any theory that "the mental health system" could have benefited this situation in the slightest. Because "the mental health system" requires that an individual seek assistance. It cannot do anything for anyone if it is not known that they require assistance.

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