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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    SIMON: Do you see anything to suggest an insanity plea in this case?

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The British never really owned the colonies. Since there wasn't any government in the New World the colonists that came over to get away from Britain simply kept following British law among themselves because that's all they knew. Britain itself was too busy having a long war with France to care about the colonies and thought they were just some insignificant backwater outpost full of ignorant, trouble makers. In fact, Britiain used to send their riff raff, pick pockets and petty thieves over to America just to get rid of them. But as soon at the war ended, Britain was broke and needed to find funding and that's when they set their eyes on the colonies for taxation..

    The point is the colonists were following British law of their own free will and that's why they didn't have representation in parliament. So when the British started to tax them, the colonists said, fine, but we want representation in your government in return. The British ignored their demands and the colonists got angry and booted the Brits back where they came from. So you see, the colonies never really belonged to the British in the first place.

    That's a little different than trying to secede from your country in order to keep human beings in bondage against their will, don't you think?
    If the British never really owned the colonies then ol' King George was pretty upset when we broke away or refused to pay his taxes.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Yea, this catching steam with retailers wasn't something I wanted to see.

    I want that flag off government property at all levels, but sites like Amazon purging it isn't the best course of action.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Most juries don't buy the insanity defense anyway even if the defendant is crazy
    Now you are twisting off on other tangents after ignoring the previous post:

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    I never said that. I said its obvious that the guy was off his rocker. I don't care if he used any flag out there, he was obviously not all there upstairs. That much should be obvious.
    I read this claim from lots of right wingers, trying to divert the discussion of racism to "mental illness", the problems with this are numerous, above all, this armchair diagnosis has no basis in facts. It is an avoidance of fact, the fact is he indulged in racist rants, surrounded himself in racist paraphernalia, espoused racist rhetoric as he was killing his Black victims.

    I suppose one can go back through previous attacks on Black churches and revise the motivations of the assailants to "insanity".....but that would be pure hogwash, just as it would be hogwash to say that the 9-11 hijackers were "mentally ill", that their prime motivation for carrying out their terrorism was not ideology.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So it's not unusual for someone who is perfectly normal and has no signs of mental illness or defect to sit for an hour with 9 people he's about to intentionally murder. Is that about right?
    I don't think it is unusual. People are not criminals until they commit a crime.

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Now you are twisting off on other tangents after ignoring the previous post:


    I read this claim from lots of right wingers, trying to divert the discussion of racism to "mental illness", the problems with this are numerous, above all, this armchair diagnosis has no basis in facts. It is an avoidance of fact, the fact is he indulged in racist rants, surrounded himself in racist paraphernalia, espoused racist rhetoric as he was killing his Black victims.

    I suppose one can go back through previous attacks on Black churches and revise the motivations of the assailants to "insanity".....but that would be pure hogwash, just as it would be hogwash to say that the 9-11 hijackers were "mentally ill", that their prime motivation for carrying out their terrorism was not ideology.
    If you can pinpoint the exact thoughts going through their heads I would love to know
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    If you can pinpoint the exact thoughts going through their heads I would love to know
    No, that is actually YOUR claim to fame if you are defending him with "insanity".

    I know what he was saying as he shot his victims, they were the same words he posted online in his racist diatribes. He knew what he was doing, it was calculated, it was premeditated, he left victims intentionally alive to be witness to what he said and did.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    If the British never really owned the colonies then ol' King George was pretty upset when we broke away or refused to pay his taxes.
    He sure was. But then....

    "George had become resigned to the new relationship between his country and the former colonies. He told Adams, "I was the last to consent to the separation; but the separation having been made and having become inevitable, I have always said, as I say now, that I would be the first to meet the friendship of the United States as an independent power."[65]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George...United_Kingdom


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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by Harman View Post
    I don't think it is unusual. People are not criminals until they commit a crime.
    We must live in alternate universes. I think it's unusual for a person to kill 9 strangers after sitting with them for an hour. Maybe it happens all the time where you live and the news doesn't report it here.
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    Re: Confederacy purge continues while last century's villians ignored

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    they have every right and a new USAToday poll has the nation split down the middle on the issue. So it's not as cut and dry as you think
    Oh its cut all right - and in the process of drying.
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