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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Let's see, is that 1994 treaty the same one in which the US said NATO would encroach NO FARTHER to the east....?
    There never was any such treaty

    So then, are we agreeing that the British claim to the Falklands is less legitimate than the Russian claim to Crimea?
    No the British claim to the Falklands is far more legitimate. There never was any historical presence or legal claim to the Falklands for Argentina

    The Budapest memorandum of 1994 clearly guarantees the territorial integrity of Ukraine this includes Crimea. Russia has clearly violated that agreement.

    Ukraine promised to remove all Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its territory, send them to disarmament facilities in Russia, and sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukraine kept these promises.

    In return, Russia and the Western signatory countries essentially consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state. They did so by applying the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention in 1975 Helsinki Final Act -- a Cold War-era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union -- to an independent post-Soviet Ukraine.

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    Re: Russian troll agency

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    There never was any such treaty



    No the British claim to the Falklands is far more legitimate. There never was any historical presence or legal claim to the Falklands for Argentina

    The Budapest memorandum of 1994 clearly guarantees the territorial integrity of Ukraine this includes Crimea. Russia has clearly violated that agreement.

    Ukraine promised to remove all Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its territory, send them to disarmament facilities in Russia, and sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukraine kept these promises.

    In return, Russia and the Western signatory countries essentially consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state. They did so by applying the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention in 1975 Helsinki Final Act -- a Cold War-era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union -- to an independent post-Soviet Ukraine.
    It's funny so many people on TV are talking about that treaty with Russia that you claim doesn't exist.

    I wonder if next you're going to tell me that Pat Tillman was killed by hostile fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It's funny so many people on TV are talking about that treaty with Russia that you claim doesn't exist.
    If that is so then you will have no problem linking it.

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    Re: Russian troll agency

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    If that is so then you will have no problem linking it.
    A lot does, but not ALL the information I ingest comes by way of the internet. Guys on TV have been talking about it, how Gorbachev was seduced by the US into signing the treaty with only an implicit, not written, (a promise) that NATO would move no farther east.

    He accepted their good intentions, but they deceived.

    There were several senators involved in the treaty negotiations as I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    A lot does, but not ALL the information I ingest comes by way of the internet. Guys on TV have been talking about it, how Gorbachev was seduced by the US into signing the treaty with only an implicit, not written, (a promise) that NATO would move no farther east.

    He accepted their good intentions, but they deceived.

    There were several senators involved in the treaty negotiations as I remember.
    No treaty was ever negotiated with Russia nor did Gorbachev sign one

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