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Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

Didn't say anything about the Marriage License either, yet here we are.

It's been a while since we talked about it in the same thread at the same time, but in case you don't remember, I certainly don't support the government issuing marriage licenses.
 
I have no particular interest in this subject other than I don't believe that government should be in the business of sanctioning or banning individual, legally contracted, relationships and they shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers based on their piece of paper. I believe every individual, for purposes of love or security or whatever other reason, should be able to enter into a contracted relationship that is honoured and respected by government and the courts. If you can enter into a contract to have your lawn mowed, and that contract can be adjudicated in court based on the terms of the contract, there's zero reason why only a government issued piece of paper validates a relationship contract.

That said, the issue here in Canada has been a non-issue for the most part. No churches have been mandated to marry anyone and never will. It's possible, in the US, where the left takes everything to extremes and goes way overboard that there will be a push to punish the religious right by trying to force them into performing same sex marriages, but I would hope they wouldn't.

The next move, if the right is serious about the so called damage this will cause society, will be for them to push to have government eliminate all benefits that accrue to those who hold paper. Tax and other law should be based on individuals and the rights of individuals. To do otherwise will open up the courts to the next wave of social, sexual, rights seekers.
 
How exactly does my marriage "soil" the institution of marriage?

The fact that you can marry means I will not be asking my girlfriend to marry me...I don't want to share the same institution as you.

You may have won a court case, and the left-leaning folks on this site may support you, but you will NEVER be socially accepted by mainstream America.

I never had a problem with gays before today, but this is too much. I will not be your friend.
 
This isn't the end of it. There will be lawsuit after lawsuit against churches who refuse to marry same-sex couples. Religious freedoms are now being violated.

And if this happens (eventhough same sex marriage has been legal in some parts of this country for over a decade now and that hasn't happened), there will be plenty of support for those churches. This is your paranoia showing through.
 
Just out: U S S.Ct. rules that there is a constitutional right to same sex marriage, going further than just ruling that states have to recognize it, if performed in a state where it's legal.

This has an impact on the 14 states that have passed laws banning it.

NOTE: The ruling was NOT just that states have to recognize it. The ruling is that it is now LEGAL, being constitutionally protected. It COULD HAVE made the ruling more narrow, but it did not. It went all the way. The matter is now settled. Gay marriage is legal, like interracial marriage is.

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Seems appropriate based on Due Process. I can't see how they could rule any other way.
 
Great decision, it is a great day. The nation has evolved, and we are a better country because of it.

Two people of the same sex being married does not affect or change anyone's life that is not in a same sex marriage.

If you don't like same sex marriage....don't marry someone of the same sex.
 
It soils the institution of marriage but, more importantly, it solidifies the idea that we're not a democracy....we're lorded over by 5 unelected and robed buffoons who call all the shots.

It's ridiculous and infuriating that Justice Kennedy, by himself, can lord over 350 million people without receiving a single vote

It doesn't soil my marriage. If it soiled yours I think you got bigger problems than the Supreme Court.

We haven't been a democracy for quite a while. It has been determined that we are now an oligarchy/plutocracy. Government decisions are no longer made to benefit the people. Instead, they are made to benefit the rich, Wall Street, corporate interests, etc. For some reason your people don't seem to have any problem with that. How America Became an Oligarchy | WEB OF DEBT BLOG

In fact, this decision, which finds favor in the eyes of most Americans, is a rare glimpse of democracy that hasn't been seen in quite a while.
 
What I meant was the right will come to the polls in droves, Hillary will be routed

True.

Both rulings will bite them in the ass.

ObamaCare is already so unpopular that it couldn't be mentioned in the 2014 Midterms elections....by the Democrats.

The Supreme Courts ruling on subsidies put ObamaCare right back in the laps of the Democrats and let the GOP Congress off the hook.

Let them celebrate. They won't be after the 2016 elections.
 
oh please you know you'll be told the same old tired ridiculous arguments. I'm so happy though. Happy for you. happy for myself. Happy for everyone.

This is the post ruling world.

Woot!
 
This will be the end of the Democratic Party for a generation. You won't see another den in the White House for a decade

Yeah, the US Constitution is a nasty piece of work isn't it? But the court was exactly right in its decision in DC vs Heller wasn't it.
 
The fact that you can marry means I will not be asking my girlfriend to marry me...I don't want to share the same institution as you.

You may have won a court case, and the left-leaning folks on this site may support you, but you will NEVER be socially accepted by mainstream America.

I never had a problem with gays before today, but this is too much. I will not be your friend.


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Man. Rednecks got their asses hand to them this week.
 
It's been a while since we talked about it in the same thread at the same time, but in case you don't remember, I certainly don't support the government issuing marriage licenses.

And you don't have to support it, but they do. And because of that, SSM has to be considered legal. I don't agree with marriage being deemed a right, but contract is and the Marriage License is government issued and recognized contract. The government cannot discriminate. It all goes back to that.

It's ironic on some level that those people back in the day so disgusted with interracial marriage that they instituted a marriage license actually paved the way for the recognition of same sex marriage. Bigotry can often backfire it seems.
 
Steaming. Crock. Of. ****.

We're going to bend over backwards for "author's intent" when it comes to the sloppy writing in Obamacare, effectively rewriting the bill they voted yes on for them, but we're going to pretend that the people writing and voting for the 14th Amendment not only considered marriage a "right" but that a marriage that would be totally alien to them is also a "right?"

That's ****ing absurd. This entire line of reasoning is a joke and has been since the first time some liar ever tried it.

no pretending required. marriage is a fundamental right that cannot be denied due to sexual orientation.

Absolutely not.

good. we agree there.

The equivalency is in pretending the Constitution, a plain English document, says something it does not. In this, these decisions are equal. The nation is a federal republic of states, and those individual states are supposed to have broad leeway to set their own internal policy in any matter in which the Constitution is silent.

and all states are subject to the equal protection clause.

Dred Scott did exactly what Roe or this does - run roughshod over the rule of law.

Dred Scott was just a terrible decision. the fourteenth amendment came after that.

I actually think marriage should not be a word the state ever uses and licenses should be a thing of the past. I don't care if gays want to have a joint property contract - that's all fine and dandy - I do care about the integrity of our Constitution.

well, it wasn't hurt by this particular decision. this decision falls under the fourteenth amendment.
 
I was just on a flight with a gay flight attendant. Everyone was nice to his face but they were laughing at him behind his back.

lol you are so full of hate. How bitter and sad. Your girlfriend probably deserves better anyways. She'll wisen up eventually and find a man who's love for her is not contingent on the marital status of strangers.
 
It doesn't soil my marriage. If it soiled yours I think you got bigger problems than the Supreme Court.

We haven't been a democracy for quite a while. It has been determined that we are now an oligarchy/plutocracy. Government decisions are no longer made to benefit the people. Instead, they are made to benefit the rich, Wall Street, corporate interests, etc. For some reason your people don't seem to have any problem with that. How America Became an Oligarchy | WEB OF DEBT BLOG

In fact, this decision, which finds favor in the eyes of most Americans, is a rare glimpse of democracy that hasn't been seen in quite a while.

5 robed buffoons unilaterally lording over 350 million is your idea of democracy?
 
"The stories of the people asking for the right to marry reveal that they seek not to denigrate marriage but rather to live their lives, or honor their spouses' memory, joined by its bond." Justice Kennedy

As expected...they did not rule based on Constitution or law. They ruled on emotion and personal opinion.

C'est la vie. The upside is...people can get on with their merry lives. There will still be many court battles on implementation, but this issue looks settled.

Try reading the other eighty pages instead of just one sentence.
 
5 robed buffoons unilaterally lording over 350 million is your idea of democracy?

I do not give one flying **** how many people vote for an unconstitutional law. Overturning unconstitutional law, even when it's "the will of the people," is exactly what the supreme court is here for. And by the way, a majority of Americans now support same-sex marriage.
 
lol you are so full of hate. How bitter and sad. Your girlfriend probably deserves better anyways. She'll wisen up eventually and find a man who's love for her is not contingent on the marital status of strangers.

I do love her, but marriage as an institution is pointless. The only reason I would do it anymore is for tax breaks.
 
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