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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    ya think? 5 lawyers just changes the definition of a word that has been around(and a vital part of society) since the dawn of man.

    Incorrect for a couple of reasons.

    5 lawyers just changes the definition of a word didn't just change the definition, the definition of marriage since the dawn has included polygamy since before the Bible, in the Bible, and even to day in a number of other countries.

    5 lawyers just changes the definition of a word didn't just change the definition today, legal same-sex Civil Marriage has existed in this country for over a decade.

    5 lawyers just changes the definition of a word didn't just change the definition today, SSCM has been passed by legislatures and passed at the ballot box by a vote of the people of that State.


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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Kinda closing thoughts after I have had some time to digest this: I really wish Kennedy would have written the opinion differently. He spent almost the whole time explaining why it was the right thing to do, and almost no time explaining why it was the legal thing to do, and this despite the fact that the legal arguments where definitely there. There where multiple paths that could have explained the legal reasoning that would have been consistent with precedent, but he chose not to explain the reasoning used. This made Roberts job with his dissent very easy, and that dissent is what will be remembered(he has a very vivid writing style) along with the outcome. It is like Kennedy tailored the ruling to avoid making is usable as any kind of possible precedent, and to do that he really did not talk about the law or the constitution.

    I kinda expected that I would like the outcome, but not like the ruling, but the level of my discontent with the ruling is really high. That I suspect it was intentionally done that way does not change my dislike for it.
    the majority opinion should have been :

    hey, everybody. while deciding this case, we were perusing the Constitution, and we happened to stumble onto this part of the fourteenth amendment :

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    so, yeah. that part, mostly.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I think the left supports the decision because they're under the impression that all Conservatives oppose Gay marriage.

    I don't really care one way or the other.

    We have much more important issues to deal with.
    Seriously? You think "the left" is pleased with the outcome of this case ... out of spite?

    Is there anything stupid about "the left" that you won't post? Asking for a friend.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    The majority opinion seems to make the most Constitutional sense of equal protections, but the dissent from Justice Roberts seems to make the most sense from a standpoint of "restrained conception of the judicial role" (p.3 of his dissent, and something I argued yesterday with the ACA decision) and "what constitutes marriage, or—more precisely—who decides what constitutes marriage?" (p.4)

    It is a tough one
    Well kudos to you for reading through all that, but i don't see the questions roberts claims to be torn over (i suspect he just hates the homos) as compelling in any sense. They all revolve around hetero privilege, the denial of equal protection. "Who decides what constitutes marriage," well then why do heterosexuals have this right either? Force THEM to move to another state or country to marry, force THEM to call their relationships "domestic partner." So his comments and vote just represent the usual gay bashing/gays are inferior in a form you find to be tough to dismiss.

    The judicial role is likewise very simple - enforce the constitution! Jesus, he doesn't even know his own job description. Anywhere else, he would be fired

    Really this should've been a 9-0 decision, except bigotry tends to cloud duty and rational thinking, for those who ever had it

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Eat it haters

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you can find where I mentioned money or greedy people in this thread, I'll make a donation to the charity of your choice and send the evidence to the moderator of your choice.

    And if you read any of my posts on gay marriage, I said I'm fine with it. I don't care who marries who...never have, never will.

    Does anyone here actually read posts?
    The Goshin post you responded to when you said "I couldn't agree more."

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't know about Canada, but here in the U.S.A, the govenment treats married people differently than singles, so they should not be able to discrimiate against SSM.
    That would probably be the republican haters' next move, if they wanted to be consistent at all, is to strip marriage of any government considerations, just out of spite of gay couples. The problem is they'd lose 90% of their votes then, so they'll keep making pathetic idle threats of 'fighting the supreme court' instead

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Religion isn't a Sunday morning from 9-10 kind of thing. If I believe participating in a ceremony will send my soul to hell, do you think it is ok for the government to force me to do it?
    why not, when your religion condemns gay people to hell. Fair is fair

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually just as the HELLER Ruling helped the Dems, these rulings helped the GOP
    in the general election, i highly doubt it. Notice the 60% support and that will only increase by 15 months from now

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The Goshin post you responded to when you said "I couldn't agree more."
    In other words, I never said anything that remotely resembled what you claimed I said or thought.
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