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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, I understand it. Even though I consider it a stretch in some ways I was pretty sure they'd invoke the 14th if they ruled this way, it's pretty obvious.

    Personally I thought the silence of the Constitution on marriage rendered the 10th the most important, and that the matter should be left to the several states with SCOTUS maybe deciding a "full faith a credit" clause applied.


    But I get the rationale behind the ruling and can't really blame them for going that way.



    At least, if they stretched a point, they stretched it in favor of an individual liberty...
    Surely you'd agree that even state powers under the 10th amendment are still subject to the 14th amendment. Basically, states have the right to define marriage, but just like every other law, such a definition is subject to equal protection and due process.

    Either that, or a state can legally define marriage as between a Jewish black man and a hispanic buddhist female only. Right? If states have the right to define marriage, can they do that?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Surely you'd agree that even state powers under the 10th amendment are still subject to the 14th amendment.


    Absolutely... if we're talking enumerated rights.


    If we're talking assumed/implied rights, the matter is perhaps a smidge more hazy.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Absolutely... if we're talking enumerated rights.


    If we're talking assumed/implied rights, the matter is perhaps a smidge more hazy.
    What? No. All laws are subject to the 14th amendment. Right? You agree?

    Basically, states have the right to define marriage, but just like every other law, such a definition is subject to equal protection and due process.

    Either that, or a state can legally define marriage as between a Jewish black man and a hispanic buddhist female only. Right? If states have the right to define marriage, can they do that?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yeah, this was pretty predictable. I'm fine with it, but I'm finer with the idea that we don't have to talk about it anymore and people can focus on issues that impact all of us now.


    Well, maybe.


    "Movements" don't stop moving just because they achieved their primary goal; they never say "Ok, we won, we're good now. Go home and be happy." Heh, no. They get in the habit of pushing for things (and some people get in the habit of making a comfy living by being a vocal spokesperson of the movement, ahem) so they tend to find more things to pitch a bitch fit about and continue generating news and consuming bandwidth for at least another generation. :


    Eh, we'll see...

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, maybe.


    "Movements" don't stop moving just because they achieved their primary goal; they never say "Ok, we won, we're good now. Go home and be happy." Heh, no. They get in the habit of pushing for things (and some people get in the habit of making a comfy living by being a vocal spokesperson of the movement, ahem) so they tend to find more things to pitch a bitch fit about and continue generating news and consuming bandwidth for at least another generation. :


    Eh, we'll see...
    Are you under the impression that no more injustice remains regarding sexual orientation?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, maybe.


    "Movements" don't stop moving just because they achieved their primary goal; they never say "Ok, we won, we're good now. Go home and be happy." Heh, no. They get in the habit of pushing for things (and some people get in the habit of making a comfy living by being a vocal spokesperson of the movement, ahem) so they tend to find more things to pitch a bitch fit about and continue generating news and consuming bandwidth for at least another generation. :


    Eh, we'll see...
    I couldn't agree more. I was being slightly sarcastic when I posted that. It won't be a case of "Hey, that's that, and let's all move on with our lives". Hell, this freaking thread is evidence that isn't going to happen. I'm fine with people marrying whomever they please - I did, and I respect the right of everyone else to do the same. But to read through this thread, you'd think the cure for cancer was finally uncovered. I haven't seen such cheerleading since my 1985 high school homecoming game. There's nothing like gloating to make it enjoyable.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Very bad week for the GOP. Heads exploding all over the place. LOL
    Well they have earned it, that's for sure. Not that the dems deserve credit for this outcome either though - 9 states thru legislation, 39 thru the courts

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    President Lincoln followed Presidents Jefferson, Madison, and Jackson in refusing to accept the idea that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what the Constitution means. He said this in his First Inaugural address, with the 1857 Dred Scott decision in mind:

    I do not forget the position assumed by some, that constitutional questions are to be decided by the Supreme Court, nor do I deny that such decisions must be binding in any case, upon the parties to a suit, as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all paralel [sic] cases, by all other departments of the government. At the same time the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government, upon vital questions, affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made the people will have ceased, to be their own rulers, having, to that extent, practically resigned their government, into the hands of that worthy tribunal.

    The decision in Obergefell flagrantly ignores the Constitution, and it deserves no respect. I hope the states and their people will feel free to ignore it as the lawless dictate it is.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What? No. All laws are subject to the 14th amendment. Right? You agree?

    Basically, states have the right to define marriage, but just like every other law, such a definition is subject to equal protection and due process.

    Either that, or a state can legally define marriage as between a Jewish black man and a hispanic buddhist female only. Right? If states have the right to define marriage, can they do that?


    Dude, you're gonna have to find someone else to argue that odd squirrelly example with. Its been a long day and I'm just too tired to engage in a round of impassioned nitpicking. bon chance and adieu...

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you under the impression that no more injustice remains regarding sexual orientation?



    Enjoy your witch hunt.


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