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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I don't need to look up that case, I know it's not about redefining marriage, it's about discrimination against blacks. It never attempts to say marriage is no longer just between a man and a woman, it actually tries to cut it down. Exact opposite of SSM, which is redefining marriage to expand it to multiple meanings, not just one.

    The Court in that case defended marriage, the opposite of what was done to it today.
    Uhh, people at the time argued that overturning interracial marriage bans was changing the definition of marriage. They used that exact phraseology. Also invoked tradition and God's will. Oh, and "will of the people."

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Apparently they argued it is both a fundamental right and a necessity under equality under the law.

    Scalia was...pissed. Not really any other word to describe him. His dissent reads like a rant.
    It was a rant, clearly Scalia has no idea what he's on the court to do. It isn't to support the will of the people, it's to decide what laws are Constitutional and which ones are not. This is a massive problem because, in recent years, the political parties have stacked the court with people who are supposed to follow a particular political bent, not actually do the job they're put in power to do.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This goes against the wishes of the people. It's like in 2010 when the people reacted to having Obamacare shoved down their throats...too much too soon. There will be backlash in the electorate.
    The wishes of the people don't matter. The Supreme Court decides what laws are in line with the Constitution and what laws are not. Clearly, you have no idea what the Supreme Court is supposed to do.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This goes against the wishes of the people. It's like in 2010 when the people reacted to having Obamacare shoved down their throats...too much too soon. There will be backlash in the electorate.
    The wishes of some of the people. And if you think the GOP is going to win an election based on gay marriage, pass whatever you're smoking. It ain't 2004 anymore.

    Also, the SCOTUS doesn't exist to cater to the whims of any portion of the electorate.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I don't need to look up that case, I know it's not about redefining marriage, it's about discrimination against blacks. It never attempts to say marriage is no longer just between a man and a woman, it actually tries to cut it down. Exact opposite of SSM, which is redefining marriage to expand it to multiple meanings, not just one.

    The Court in that case defended marriage, the opposite of what was done to it today.
    Interpretation: (Hands over eyes and ears).....LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA........I'm not going to educate myself.....I'm not going to listen.....I'm just going to keep believing the same false ideas that have been spewed to me in the past.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Apparently they argued it is both a fundamental right and a necessity under equality under the law.

    Scalia was...pissed. Not really any other word to describe him. His dissent reads like a rant.
    Scalia is an idiot and his dissent reads exactly as you characterize it. He doesn't have a clue what his role as a Supreme Court Justice is....THAT is what is truly scary.

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    There is increasing rate of divorce and late marriage around the world. It is good to know someone wants to marry this days. At least gays can save marriage tradition. (Kidding.)
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I don't need to look up that case, I know it's not about redefining marriage, it's about discrimination against blacks. It never attempts to say marriage is no longer just between a man and a woman, it actually tries to cut it down. Exact opposite of SSM, which is redefining marriage to expand it to multiple meanings, not just one.

    The Court in that case defended marriage, the opposite of what was done to it today.
    You didn't pay attention to what I said, guy. In the view of the anti-mixed-race marriage crowd - the conservatives of the time - miscegenation WAS against "God's laws", and against nature. The arguments were not much different.

    And as time goes on and people become more educated, the sky-is-falling outrage among the anti-SSM crowd will fade as they - or at least their children and children's children - come to realize that YES, people really are "born that way", and that there's no good reason why someone who was born that way should be disallowed from marrying a consenting adult who was also born that way.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The decision is pretty fairly grounded in constitutional law. 14th amendment is clear, marriage, like many rights in the US, is considered a right based on precedent(and trust me, if we stopped having all those rights derived from precedent, you would be unhappy), and from there there is not many options for the court.


    Yeah, I understand it. Even though I consider it a stretch in some ways I was pretty sure they'd invoke the 14th if they ruled this way, it's pretty obvious.

    Personally I thought the silence of the Constitution on marriage rendered the 10th the most important, and that the matter should be left to the several states with SCOTUS maybe deciding a "full faith a credit" clause applied.


    But I get the rationale behind the ruling and can't really blame them for going that way.



    At least, if they stretched a point, they stretched it in favor of an individual liberty...

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Figured this was going to happen at some point.



    Well maybe now we can move on and address some issues that are actually important to us all...
    Yeah, this was pretty predictable. I'm fine with it, but I'm finer with the idea that we don't have to talk about it anymore and people can focus on issues that impact all of us now.
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