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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well there is one.. The state could refuse polygamous marriages due to those in polygamous marriages having an unfair advantage over those in non plural marriages. In that, government benefits would multiply by the number of plural members in the marriage thus unduly burdening the rest of the tax base. Further, plural marriages would also theoretically have advantages in other intangible ways such as education, employment, property ownership, and many other economic situations. Moreover, plural marriages convey, and encourage more plurality, and discourage diversity among other plural relationships. It is this (of course cleaned up much better into really neat legal sounding big words and all) and for these reasons that the state does have a compelling interest in regulating plural marriage.


    Just off the top of my head, but you get the idea..


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    So, here we have a self-identifying conservative suggesting that an unfair economic advantage is something the state has a legitimate interest in stopping.

    Isn't this an argument in favor of eliminating heterosexual marriage so that an unfair advantage is not gained over single people?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Were you not discussing the Constitution?
    All of these decisions that GOPs don't agree with come down to a strong central Federal Government versus State's Rights.
    State's Rights have been taken to an extreme since Calhoun's 1830 Manifesto on "NULLIFICATION", which are on full display in 2015.

    As for Roberts and Kennedy, they may represent a "third" wing of what I believe is Libertarianism, swinging back-and-forth as a pendulum.
    I'd like to think of DEMs, GOPs and Libertarians on the USSC as three circles in a Venn Diagram.

    But a closer at the electoral ramifications shows that GOPs will benefit in the long run by the USSC's rulings on ACA and now gay marriage.
    Why are GOP politicians privately breathing a huge sigh of relief with today's ruling, knowing that a DEM issue is off the table?
    And you fully know the GOP base will be ginned up over gay marriage, as with the ACA ruling !
    Thats all great and all... but im talking about the constitution... not the effect of this decision on future election..... but the effect of this decision on future supreme court decisions.....

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I can't identify a legitimate state interest to preventing it.
    I guess that's that.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    Eventually love prevails....Today's ruling is a victory for Love, Justice and Freedom. 2015 is a bad time to be a bigot in America.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    How very accepting of you. Funny how you're not interested in equal protection for all social relationship contracts, just the ones you support.
    On the contrary, I'm for finding a way to make that work, make marriage available to them in a way that does not financially burden the rest of society and actually provides protections for each of those spouses, not just dropping a legitimate limit on number of spouses because some feel butt hurt that same sex couples can now enter into marriage. There is a difference in the way a two person marriage with any sex/gender combination would operate compared to having more than two spouses in a marriage or a single person with more than one legal spouse.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, here we have a self-identifying conservative suggesting that an unfair economic advantage is something the state has a legitimate interest in stopping.

    Isn't this an argument in favor of eliminating heterosexual marriage so that an unfair advantage is not gained over single people?

    It's not my argument, silly. This is how the liberal judges on the USSC will approach the challenge. Man, sometime for someone that's usually pretty bright, ya kinda missed that one..

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not irrelevant at all....you just choose to ignore it. The reality is....the same exact argument that you are attempting to make is the same exact argument that the bigots made about inter-racial marriage, which also "changed' the definition of "traditional marriage". They predicted the destruction of the institution of marriage (which never happened). The truth is that their scare tactics are just old and boring.
    I'm not going to even try to explain to you how non sequitur that is to anything I have posted. Do have a nice day.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You are discriminating against people who are already married. Why can't they love another person and be able to express that love through another marriage? How does it affect you if I have 3 wives and one of my wives has 6 husbands?
    It affects the economy and public coffers by a significant amount. It also affects legal proceedings, how they determine divorce, who has what part in parenting, what assets. There is also whether the other spouses have to agree to their spouse having another spouse.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by GunFora View Post
    It was more of a story about a woman who had two "moms" and how it negatively impacted her life.
    Anecdotes are not data.

    Your (paraphrased) "putative liberals are incapable of doing unbiased research" rhetoric is breathtakingly hilarious.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ToastyOats View Post
    Canada has had legal same-sex marriage for a decade

    So the punishment is nothing. Okay!
    The Netherlands was the first country to legalize it, in 2001, and those hedonistic Dutch have lived the last 14 years fire- and brimstone-free.
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