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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The SCOTUS decision was 5-4 with megalomaniac Kennedy the decider -- all pretty much predicted.
    And, of course, 5-4 is hardly a mandate.
    5-4 was hardly a mandate for other decisions by this Court either--gutting the VRA, Citizens United 1.0 and 2.0.

    What both sides are still missing is that Kennedy and Roberts have their own deep views of Libertarianism.
    As we see with Kennedy writing today's opinion on gay marriage and yesterday's opinion on Texas Housing.
    And with only Roberts voting with ACA the first time while both Kennedy and Roberts upheld ACA the 2nd time.

    I'll continue to maintain these two are sick of the stalemate in Congress and will continue to legislate from the bench.
    Both for and against both political parties--as we'll see with rulings next week.

    With the death penalty as an example expected to swing back to the right 5-4--not a mandate.
    At times, Sotomayor has joined Kennedy and Roberts as part of this new "third" wing that is non-partisan and libertarian .
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Satan does not ****ing exist. Stop trying to run other people's lives based on the whims of your imaginary sky fairy and his evil cousin.

    You lost. Eat it.
    I've been told 100s of times here that SSM won't, can't and never will affect my life.

    HOW AND WHAT THE **** DID I LOSE?
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I've been told 100s of times here that SSM won't, can't and never will affect my life.

    HOW AND WHAT THE **** DID I LOSE?
    If it doesn't affect your life, and can't ever, then why do you waste so much of your time railing against it on this forum? Onward, Christian soldiers!
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I've been told 100s of times here that SSM won't, can't and never will affect my life.

    HOW AND WHAT THE **** DID I LOSE?
    The court case.... Your side definitely lost that. Oh, and the power to dictate whether others get married. But, you know... other than that your life is pretty much the same. Have a great weekend!
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I've been told 100s of times here that SSM won't, can't and never will affect my life.

    HOW AND WHAT THE **** DID I LOSE?
    Ahh, so you can't name anything! Great. I'm glad we finally agree that no harm is done to you or to society by two dudes gettin hitched. Welcome, friend.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the marriage rate now is about half the rate it was in the 1960's and the divorce rate has doubled. And people were far more likely to describe their marriages as good/happy then than they are now. So maybe when marriage was considered the cultural norm, that was a healthy thing. When we as a society and culture expected people to get married before living together, that was a good thing. When we as a society and culture expected people to get married before having kids, that was a very beneficial thing. And expecting to make a life together and grow old together and share experiences with kids and grandchildren together was something to anticipate instead of being unusual.

    Too many people, if they bother to get married at all, go into marriage as a trial thing fully expecting to divorce if it didn't turned out according to expectations. There is no longer any stigma to having kids, accidentally or on purpose, outside of marriage. And too many look to government to be their sugar daddy instead of building and sharing economic security together.

    Whatever the motives or reasons were for changing the definition of marriage, I cannot see it as a good thing for anybody in the long term as I do expect as a culture marriage will be even less desirable and important than before.
    What you are describing is all due to the advent of no fault divorces. I hardly see how allowing same sex couples the ability to marry will have the same impact.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    What difference does my age make?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Reagan appointee too.
    Though I'm sure someone will bring up that he was appointed after Bork was deep-sixed by Ted Kennedy due to his ideology .
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why? It's a college. Funded in part by government monies. It has no more right to dictate morality than does a baker in a bakery.
    how is a private religious college funded by the government?
    it isn't.

    however for the purposes it is tax exempt as much colleges are. however for them exercising their first amendment rights to religious freedom they could lose their tax exempt status for simply saying that marriage is between a man and a women and or not allowing gay couples to stay with each other.

    this decision trampled on the first amendment.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they could have done all of this without marriage.
    That's right, they CAN (usually), but it requires each couple to sign a bunch of contracts and powers of attorney and when dealing with a hospital, for example, the couple would need to produce the papers to prove you are entitled to visitation rights, or have the power to make emergency medical decisions on behalf of your wife, etc.

    The advantage of state-sanctioned marriage is a whole slew of rights and responsibilities are assumed to accrue to the married couple and the law defers to that assumption in all kinds of ways (e.g. right to inherit). Without that state contract, the couple has to demonstrate those rights at every turn with individual contracts. It's a BIG deal, especially if a bitter family is intent on blocking the gay partner at every step, which sadly isn't rare. But it also provide legal certainty to all kinds of people dealing with that couple. Creditors, for example, don't have to guess when a spouse is or isn't legally obligated to pay the debts of another spouse. It's well settled law. It is less settled for a live in boyfriend of 2 years, or 10 years.... Etc.

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