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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    right here it is folks the next violation of the constitution in one post.
    You seem a little butt-hurt over all this....

    /hangs head....
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The states really did not present a compelling interest, and he did consider their arguments. He just rejected them as compelling.
    Simply rejecting arguments as compelling and applying the compelling interest test as has been done for decades are two separate things.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Fast moving thread so I apologize, however, the ONLY valid signature is that of the State on the marriage certificate/license anyway, so I don't see how that changes anything?

    Tim-
    I'm simply pointing out that he wasn't advocating that clergy should be sued or forced to perform marriages, only that he thought it would happen that either people would do so and it would be ruled on to remove religious figures or really anyone allowed to refuse from being able to sign (not forcing them to do it or even punishing them for not doing so) or that the laws would be changed so that only those who could not refuse to wed someone would be allowed to sign the marriage license. There is a difference in these arguments, and I've actually seen the argument he is making on here before. It does not advocate any sort of punishment against clergy for refusing to perform a ceremony. It only removes clergy from being able to officially sign the marriage license due to their right to be able to refuse to do so.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    You sound bitter. And that sounds like a threat. I don't fear your Lovecraftian Eldritch Horror of a deity. I'm going to enjoy my life whether you or deity likes it or not. Right now the champagne is flowing at Chez Verthaine and I my sales reps are taking orders to cater gay and straight weddings.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You mentioned something about churches being required to be married, that simply is not true, churches can refuse to marry for any reason.
    no they can't not now. a pastor has the ability to sign off on a marriage they technically act in the authority of the state to do so. they can be sued and the church can now be sued for not allowing gay marriage.

    a Christian college that only allows men and women who are married to live together can now be sued for not allowing a gay couple.
    same goes for a whole host of other religious organizations.

    the SCOTUS today just tossed out the 1st amendment on it's ear.
    they should be ashamed of themselves.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    You seem a little butt-hurt over all this....

    /hangs head....
    yep when the constitution isn't upheld everyone should get butt hurt. when freedoms die to politics people should get butt hurt.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by GunFora View Post
    This is a bad week for America and Americans. The moral fabric of the USA is coming apart at the seams. The SCOTUS has just redefined "marriage". The Red Diaper Doper babies are succeeding in taking down America from the inside without even firing a shot. Just as Krustev promised a half century ago.
    Red diaper doper babies? You mean American people?

    I was not aware that the 5 justices who just ruled that equal rights go for gays too were diaper babies?
    Wilders is a piece of gutter trash, a gutless populist who has no morality to speak of.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I didn't read it, but do you think that is what the decision demands? I mean I'm a supporter of SS marriage, but I don't think that religious institutions should be forced to marry if they don't want to.
    They aren't. This ruling only has to do with the actions of the state. Religious organizations are not required for any marriages.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they can't not now. a pastor has the ability to sign off on a marriage they technically act in the authority of the state to do so. they can be sued and the church can now be sued for not allowing gay marriage.
    This is not true.

    a Christian college that only allows men and women who are married to live together can now be sued for not allowing a gay couple.
    same goes for a whole host of other religious organizations.
    A college is not a church. If it were wholly privately funded, this would likely not be true.

    the SCOTUS today just tossed out the 1st amendment on it's ear.
    they should be ashamed of themselves.
    No, the court today ruled that one particular religious viewpoint doesn't get to control the law.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Did you read the decision? The majority relied very little on the 14th in this case, instead they justified their decision based of their interpretation and marrying (Pardon the pun) of the Due process clause with the 14th. The decision was argued from a due process (5th Amendment) standpoint, NOT the 14th.


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    Very little, is not none at all. And due process can still rely on a state interest, especially when it is used, as you said it was, with the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they can't not now. a pastor has the ability to sign off on a marriage they technically act in the authority of the state to do so. they can be sued and the church can now be sued for not allowing gay marriage.

    a Christian college that only allows men and women who are married to live together can now be sued for not allowing a gay couple.
    same goes for a whole host of other religious organizations.

    the SCOTUS today just tossed out the 1st amendment on it's ear.
    they should be ashamed of themselves.
    In fairness, they haven't actually done that yet, but they HAVE set themselves up for many challenges in the future.

    Tim-
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