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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
    I don't think they should be forced to marry people either. However I think it will eventually come down to you either marry everyone or no one, no picking and choosing.
    right here it is folks the next violation of the constitution in one post.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am probably one of those who knows more about the legal issues than almost any one on the board. I have studied the issues in some depth. How about making an argument and I will get back to you.
    What kind of argument? You mean me saying I know more than most people on the board? You call that an argument? Here's a hint, I've already posted it, but I'm not trying to argue the case here, it's the long term effects that worry me. There are ways to redefine marriage, this was the worst of them all to do it.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    "Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majority's approach is deeply disheartening," he wrote. "... The majority's decision is an act of will, not legal judgment."

    Roberts wrote: "If you are among the many Americans -- of whatever sexual orientation -- who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. ... But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

    we don't have a court that upholds the constitution. we have a court that does whatever the hell it wants based on the political view of the justices.

    2 times in 1 week they have failed up hold the constitution and instead come up with unconstitutional acts.

    the entire bench needs to be removed and arrested for violation of their duty this week. they have proven that they are not capable of office or capable of
    constitutional judgement just whatever whim they want to pass when they want to pass it.

    next we will see them stopping all over religious rights next.
    The problem with that first quote is that the very idea of allowing people to have their laws put in place, enforced, including restrictions on other people's marriages, just because of their vote is ruling by men, not by law. The supreme law of this land is the Constitution, and that is in place to protect people specifically from being oppressed by either an overreaching government or the majority, especially if the majority/government cannot show a state interest is furthered by such laws (which they couldn't).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Sounds like what might have been said in the last days of Sodom and Gomorrah.
    No, not really. Lack of poutines and same sex marriages come to mind.

    Also we're not raping angels for SSM, we'll get back to you if we go down that road.

    Although there are awfully too many child rapists, many who get away. You'd think God would have some priorities set and unleash some of that deus ex machina divine punishment right then and there. Just saying if I saw a child being molested, I wouldn't wait until some arbitrary, never known day of judgment. If I walked by and let It happen people would think I was complicit or at least completely immoral.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    right here it is folks the next violation of the constitution in one post.
    Again, someone who didn't read the argument from the beginning.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You should probably go back and read the discussion. He thinks that no one but government employees should be able to sign the marriage certificate/license altogether, which would completely avoid lawsuits on this issue. He did not say that such lawsuits would be right and should go through.
    Fast moving thread so I apologize, however, the ONLY valid signature is that of the State on the marriage certificate/license anyway, so I don't see how that changes anything?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by GunFora View Post
    This is a bad week for America and Americans. The moral fabric of the USA is coming apart at the seams. The SCOTUS has just redefined "marriage". The Red Diaper Doper babies are succeeding in taking down America from the inside without even firing a shot. Just as Krustev promised a half century ago.
    It is a good week for America and Americans and for all the close to 60% of Americans who approved of gay marriage.

    The moral fabric is not coming apart at the seems because now 2 men/women are allowed to marry. That is just ridiculous. In fact I think it should work to strengthen the moral fabric. Family (according to most conservatives too) is the cornerstone of society. Now a lot more families can be formed. A lot more babies potentially adopted and more happiness all around.

    In the grand scheme of things, gay marriage is not ripping America apart at the seams. I do not think there is anything in the US that is able to do that, unless it is race relations. And SCOTUS has not hurt that, in fact it has strengthened and protected race relations. It is sadly politicians who do everything to wreck that (or militant little assholes like the man who shot those people in that church).

    The comments of Donald Trump about Mexicans and the resistance of some people to even remove the symbols of slavery from the public life, let alone deal with the actual issue of slavery and race problems itself. Gay marriage does nothing to tear the seams of the moral fabric apart, that was done by the people who viciously opposed it iMHO, they compared gays to people who would want to marry children, animals, etc. Moral fabric is not destroyed by honest discussion and disagreement but by not willing to listen or by willing to compromise and open up the rights others already have in abundance to the rest of the American public and not discriminate on gender, sexual preference, color, religion etc.

    The most important moral fabric any country can have is simple, equal protection under the law. That is where moral fabric begins IMHO and I congratulate anone who can now finally marry their loved ones.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They used flowery language, yes. That happens.

    But the legal argument is sound. No state interest exists in barring a same-sex couple from signing a legal contract and therefore the equal protection challenge is upheld.

    If you think emotion is the basis for their argument, all you have to do is prove their argument wrong with some sort of unbiased fact.
    4 justices already provided that basis, reinforced by court decisions that go back to 1971. This decision is a complete departure from 230+ years of precedence and was made based on feelings and emotions.

    And thats FINE. The SCOTUS is ultimately populated by 'people' that have an obvious political bent. While I think that is horrid and even dangerous...it is what it is.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The problem with that first quote is that the very idea of allowing people to have their laws put in place, enforced, including restrictions on other people's marriages, just because of their vote is ruling by men, not by law. The supreme law of this land is the Constitution, and that is in place to protect people specifically from being oppressed by either an overreaching government or the majority, especially if the majority/government cannot show a state interest is furthered by such laws (which they couldn't).

    Did you read the decision? The majority relied very little on the 14th in this case, instead they justified their decision based of their interpretation and marrying (Pardon the pun) of the Due process clause with the 14th. The decision was argued from a due process (5th Amendment) standpoint, NOT the 14th.


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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yes, absolutely. Your wishes are purely political purposes, derived in no great fashion from a purely objective view of the Constitution. Democracy can be a vile institution which requires the majority to determine the rights of a minority. Minorities are usually despised by the majorities, thus democracy has often tended to destroy their liberty.

    Civil liberties should not to be determined by the ignorant masses, of which you would be among them.
    My beliefs are based on 2000 years old words of our Creator and the prophets not, some flip-flopping morons with a black robe. They were never suppose to legislate or be activists from the bench. The STATES [those 50 divisions in this country] should have, according to the Constitution, the right to say what marriage is in their domain. That has been taken away.

    The fact you have no knowledge of or refused to adhere to those words make you ignorant.
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