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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Barring legal recognition is not the same thing as banning marriage altogether.
    They were banned from legal recognition of their marriages. Seriously, what is up with all the semantics arguments lately? They have been referred to as "same sex marriage bans" for over a decade now, pretty sure there wasn't this many people complaining about that before now.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    They were banned from legal recognition of their marriages. Seriously, what is up with all the semantics arguments lately? They have been referred to as "same sex marriage bans" for over a decade now, pretty sure there wasn't this many people complaining about that before now.
    It has nothing to do with semantics. Even if not legally recognized, same sex couples could still marry (or not) and live their lives together. Perfectly legal and acceptable. Prior to Loving, an interracial couple could be sentenced to prison for that sort of thing.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It has nothing to do with semantics. Even if not legally recognized, same sex couples could still marry (or not) and live their lives together. Perfectly legal and acceptable. Prior to Loving, an interracial couple could be sentenced to prison for that sort of thing.
    Are you kidding me? Ever hear of The Stonewall riot? Ever hear of a guy named Turing? Ever hear of Matthew Shepard?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It has nothing to do with semantics. Even if not legally recognized, same sex couples could still marry (or not) and live their lives together. Perfectly legal and acceptable. Prior to Loving, an interracial couple could be sentenced to prison for that sort of thing.
    They could not get married in the same way that opposite sex couples could get married. They were banned from receiving legal recognition for their relationship, for their marriage. Banned from legally becoming spouses. And not too long ago, same sex couples could have been sentenced to prison and were for their relationships. The only difference is that those laws that put same sex couples in prison were struck down first, separately, which could have happened with the Loving decision as well, but the Court chose in that instance to take it further.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    People were banned from marrying someone of the same sex, just as people were banned from marrying someone of a different race.
    Now, now. I know it is required to be misleading to be on the left, but please, do you have to do it on every little thing?
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    Judge to Bakers: No Free Speech for You - Rachel Lu, The Federalist

    By decree of the great state of Oregon, the owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa must pay $135,000 to the lesbian couple whom they “mentally raped” by refusing to bake their wedding cake. This was expected, but the final judgment, handed down last Thursday, came with another twist. Aaron and Melissa Klein have also been given a “cease and desist” order, which effectively decrees they must refrain from stating their continued intention to abide by their moral beliefs.

    Land of the What-Was-That?

    Let’s be clear on why this is so sinister. There are times when speech rights conflict with other legitimate social goods. The public’s right to know can conflict with individual privacy rights. Sometimes threats to public safety warrant keeping secrets. There can be interesting debates about intellectual property rights. These cases can get tricky, and we should all understand that speech rights necessarily do have certain pragmatic limits.

    None of those concerns apply here. The Kleins did not threaten public safety. They violated no one’s privacy or property rights. Rather, the Oregon labor commissioner, Brad Avakian, wanted to silence them because the content of their speech. Presumably he was angry that the Kleins’ defiant stance had earned them a potentially profitable reputation as heroes for religious freedom. They were meant to be humiliated and cowed; instead there was a real chance they would land on their feet. So they had to be gagged to prevent that from happening.

    If the First Amendment doesn’t apply to a case like this, it is meaningless. . . .

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    T Seriously, what is up with all the semantics arguments lately?
    Lately?

    The rights opposition to SSM has always been based on dishonest semantics such as the definition of marriage, the definition of religious practice, etc
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no difference between a business stating their refusal to serve gay people on a huge billboard and telling gay people to their face.Either way, it's discrimination
    I wonder why these people involved in SSM always go to christian owned bakeries to get their cakes? And they can never find any other bakery to do the job? Don't you suppose they would go to gay bakeries instead?

    Hey, here's an idea, why don't they go to muslim owned bakeries? I think the left's collective heads would explode on that one, they wouldn't know what to do!
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    I wonder why these people involved in SSM always go to christian owned bakeries to get their cakes? And they can never find any other bakery to do the job? Don't you suppose they would go to gay bakeries instead?

    Hey, here's an idea, why don't they go to muslim owned bakeries? I think the left's collective heads would explode on that one, they wouldn't know what to do!
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Wow, you drew that pretty fast. So, it's a holocaust now? Wait, does the left acknowledge that it even happened? Again, give the Muslim bakeries some business!
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