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Thread: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    True.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I am glad you finally agree.
    You keep insisting that incest is no longer illegal. What do you think I'm agreeing to?
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, let's put it this way, for the sake of argument, for most of the history prior to Massachusetts, it was between a man and a woman. And it only started when the courts forced it on us.
    in the US, and that means absolutely nothing, since for much of history, especially in places like the US, men had a lot of power over women.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    in the US, and that means absolutely nothing, since for much of history, especially in places like the US, men had a lot of power over women.
    Completely irrelevant
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    WTF??!?!?!?!?!?!

    Please, using language directly from the majority opinion, show where they based their decision on the old Soviet Union's constitution.....

    This is about the most ignorant assertion in this entire thread...
    Wasn't the USSR even more anti-gay than the US, even back then? Or do I have my history wrong...

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia
    In 1917, the Russian Revolution saw the overthrow of the Tsarist government, and the subsequent foundation of the Russian SFSR, the world's first socialist state, followed by the founding of the Soviet Union after the end of the civil war in 1922. The new Communist Party government eradicated the old laws regarding sexual relations, effectively legalising homosexual activity within Russia, although it remained illegal in other former territories of the Russian Empire. Under Lenin's leadership, openly gay people were allowed to serve in government. In 1933, the Soviet government, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, recriminalised homosexual activity with punishments of up to five years' hard labor. Following Stalin's death, there was a liberalisation of attitudes toward sexual issues in the Soviet Union, but homosexual acts remained illegal. Nonetheless, homosexual culture became increasingly visible, particularly following the glasnost policy of Mikhail Gorbachev's government in the late 1980s.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Completely irrelevant
    Absolutely relevant as it shows things change. There is no guarantee that anything will remain the same, especially not something that has changed many times before and even changes between cultures.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You forgot to point out that before Loving, marriage was between a man and a woman, and after Loving, it was between a man and a woman.

    And, as you pointed out, the will of the people was to keep it that way. But the Court decided that it is not that way at all. They decided that all the States were violating the Constitution for almost 150 years.

    They removed that little limitation, and opened the flood gates.
    The will of the people was to keep interracial couples from getting married. "One man and one woman" is just as arbitrary when it comes to our laws and how they function as "two people of the same race". There is nothing about legal marriage that changes when two people of the same sex are allowed to marry along with two people of the opposite sex because now, in this day and age, men and women spouses are treated the same in the laws of marriage.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Absolutely relevant as it shows things change. There is no guarantee that anything will remain the same, especially not something that has changed many times before and even changes between cultures.
    It's relevant because things change??? Boy, don't get too specific. That's basically a non response.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The will of the people was to keep interracial couples from getting married. "One man and one woman" is just as arbitrary when it comes to our laws and how they function as "two people of the same race". There is nothing about legal marriage that changes when two people of the same sex are allowed to marry along with two people of the opposite sex because now, in this day and age, men and women spouses are treated the same in the laws of marriage.
    That was the will of the lawmakers, like George Wallace, that wanted interracial marriage to be illegal. It was a constriction on marriage, not a full blown opening up to anything goes. It was the exact opposite of the court ruling.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That was the will of the lawmakers, like George Wallace, that wanted interracial marriage to be illegal. It was a constriction on marriage, not a full blown opening up to anything goes. It was the exact opposite of the court ruling.
    The vast majority of the public believed in 1968 that interracial marriage should be illegal. That was not just those like George Wallace. This was polled and the results showed that a much higher majority of the public, of people then wanted to ban interracial marriages than the amount of the public we currently have that want to ban same sex marriages. In fact, more of the public then wanted to ban interracial marriages than many of the bans on same sex marriage passed on, especially the most recent ones. Hell, it didn't even reach a majority of the population approving of such relationships until the 1980s.

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