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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If people never asked for it, they never would have gotten it. And the rest of it was demonstrating the exact same reasons that straight people marry....I guess they're right to marry is only based on emotion too?
    People should feel free to ask for it. Supreme Court justices should not base legal opinion on feelings.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    People should feel free to ask for it. Supreme Court justices should not base legal opinion on feelings.
    Like I wrote...the examples the court gave are exactly those that straight couples express. When they asked, they gave the REAL reasons why they want to marry. Emotional ones. But that doesnt affect the fact that the ruling is based on equal protection under the law regarding privileges and benefits accorded thru the marriage contract.

    What, did you think gays were demanding just that? No...they want 'marriage.' All of it. Just like straight couples. But of course they offered the reasons from their hearts and the court acknowledged it.

    I liked your long post to Grimm btw...very well said. I was totally shocked, lol.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by GunFora View Post
    Which studies? From leftwing Universities or other LW organizations? Please...
    So you accept that one, single article? Not even significant research? LOL

    So, just the one that seems to agree with your perspective then. It only said there was some dysfunction and lack of clarity on that.

    Um...but there's no dysfunction in huge numbers of straight families?
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Like I wrote...the examples the court gave are exactly those that straight couples express. When they asked, they gave the REAL reasons why they want to marry. Emotional ones. But that doesnt affect the fact that the ruling is based on equal protection under the law regarding privileges and benefits accorded thru the marriage contract.

    What, did you think gays were demanding just that? No...they want 'marriage.' All of it. Just like straight couples. But of course they offered the reasons from their hearts and the court acknowledged it.

    I liked your long post to Grimm btw...very well said. I was totally shocked, lol.
    It is fully expected that people base their requests and even demands on emotion. it is FULLY expected that Supreme Court Justices base their opinions on Constitution and law, not emotions and feelings. Kennedy very clearly demonstrated that to be NOT the case.

    Look...I hold no hatred or animosity towards homosexuals. Never have. When there is ugliness its from them directed at me or people that believe as I believe (wait...lets clarify...CONSERVATIVE people that believe as I believe. they invariably give liberals that believe as I believe a pass). At the end of the day, I fully expected this decision. But there is still NO REASON to be wrapped up in bitterness and hatred. None.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Religion isn't a Sunday morning from 9-10 kind of thing. If I believe participating in a ceremony will send my soul to hell, do you think it is ok for the government to force me to do it?
    What scripture is that? Seriously. And try to stick to the New Testament, which pretty much supersedes the Old.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It is fully expected that people base their requests and even demands on emotion. it is FULLY expected that Supreme Court Justices base their opinions on Constitution and law, not emotions and feelings. Kennedy very clearly demonstrated that to be NOT the case.

    Look...I hold no hatred or animosity towards homosexuals. Never have. When there is ugliness its from them directed at me or people that believe as I believe (wait...lets clarify...CONSERVATIVE people that believe as I believe. they invariably give liberals that believe as I believe a pass). At the end of the day, I fully expected this decision. But there is still NO REASON to be wrapped up in bitterness and hatred. None.
    They did base it on Constitutional law:
    "Excluding same-sex couples from marriage thus conflicts with a central premise of the right to marry." (p.15 of the majority decision)

    "Indeed, while the States are in general free to vary the benefits they confer on all married couples, they have throughout our history made marriage the basis for an expanding list of governmental rights, benefits, and responsibilities. These aspects of marital status include: taxation; inheritance and property rights; rules of intestate succession; spousal privilege in the law of evidence; hospital access; medical decision making authority; adoption rights; the rights and benefits of survivors; birth and death certificates; professional ethics rules; campaign finance restrictions; workers’ compensation benefits; health insurance; and child custody, support, and visitation rules."

    "There is no difference between same- and opposite-sex couples with respect to this principle." (both on p.16-17)

    "It follows that the Court also must hold—and it now does hold—that there is no lawful basis for a State to refuse to recognize a lawful same-sex marriage performed in another State on the ground of its same-sex character"

    "They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right." (both on p.28.)
    All they did was acknowledge the more human side of it when some gays made their petition for marriage and stated such reasons.

    You are trying to wiggle out of admitting that they made the *right* decision based on the Constitution. But their stated reasons support just that.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    If the objection is a sincere, established religious belief, any attempt to force someone to participate violates the first amendment.
    So then why has no one been refusing to serve divorced people, adulterers, fornicators? Seems like that 'religious belief' would be applied pretty selectively, eh? I mean, why can those sinners marry but gays (sinners) cant (couldnt)? So yeah, I call BS on 99% of people objecting to serving gays based on 'religion'. And that dishonesty is a sin
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by GunFora View Post
    The vast majority of Colleges and Universities lean left...some far left. Fact. Therefore, not a valid source of information. Not because I'm to the right, but because they're biased. The left is well-known to twist and distort information to further their agenda. Are you really incapable of forming your opinions on facts rather than what the left tells you is the right thing to believe?
    Ha ha, by your statement, all higher education is worthless. Er, where do you think the 'facts' come from if not the science and research done by these institutions?

    It's also laughable to claim that only the left 'distorts information to further their agenda.' For proof, see "Iraq."
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by GunFora View Post
    To be quite honest, I've seen FAR more lying and spinning coming from the MSM and the left than from Conservative sources. But that's a topic for another forum.
    IMO that's only because you CHOOSE to accept what you want to hear from the right. That is your bias, not reality.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    It's a vote to turn America into a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Now America gets to pay the price for this spiritual dwarfism, and it's not going to be pretty.

    "Supreme Court Justices, can you judge the ways of God? Can you, with manmade verdicts, overrule the eternal laws of God? There is another court, and there is another Judge. And before Him, all men and all judges will give account. If a nation's high court should pass judgment on the Almighty, should you then be surprised if the Almighty should pass judgment on that court and that nation?" Rabbi Jonathan Cahn

    Rabbi Jonathan Cahn Gives America a Final Warning - Freedom Outpost
    Interesting! SSM has been legal in many states for years....no Sodom and Gommorah remotely on the horizons there. Got anything factual you'd like to base your statement on?

    And, just btw, God gives all people the choice to follow His Word. We can choose to follow the teachings of Jesus or not. God granted that choice to us. Exactly how arrogant do you have to be to then try and demand that other people obey His Word thru law? He doesnt force us but you'd force others? Wut?
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