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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well let's see.

    One example: The liberal/progressive forces are attempting to reward illegal aliens, and in fact are promoting more to come here. This agenda is being pushed at the extreme peril of the Black Communities, who apparently aren't viewed as important, other than to gin up occasional emotional responses that will be met with nothing but platitudes from the left.

    In light of everything else, how long do you think voters are going to tolerate the heavy handed actions that are being force fed to them?
    I think the court is a check and balance to a system which can turn very bad. The court has kept it in place. This is a limited representative democratic republic. We vote in those who represent us. The democratic facet can turn ugly and be mob rule as Thomas Jefferson said. If I have the numbers I can keep you from getting anywhere or having any rights. The court is in place to make the final decision based on the Constitution or extrapolate from the document what it might say today if written and they fill in the meaning. In this way the document stays alive. This is necessary unless like Jefferson thought the document should be reworks periodically. The court decides and we live by the decision. Some decisions are popular and others not so much. This has maintained the status quo it can give the minorities a voice even against the numbers.
    Same sex marriage began as one of these issues where no matter what LGBTQ people did they would never have enough numbers to win anything. The number of supporters did grow and eventually it turned into the court case. Same sex marriage won in court. Is it force feeding the nation? Perhaps. This is not the first time decisions like this happen. The thing is same sex marriage happened to be supported by the majority according to the poles. So I guess it is not force feeding. It made the decision for the nation which was divided by states. More states supported SSM. The nation needed equal policy and this did that. Some are unhappy but this is not force fed. The court maintained a balance. It was not heavy handed. The court against all reason elected George W. Bush President and the nation went along with this. This is not new and ground breaking for the court to make decisions like this. We only need to follow along as Americans have always done.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I think the court is a check and balance to a system which can turn very bad. The court has kept it in place. This is a limited representative democratic republic. We vote in those who represent us. The democratic facet can turn ugly and be mob rule as Thomas Jefferson said. If I have the numbers I can keep you from getting anywhere or having any rights. The court is in place to make the final decision based on the Constitution or extrapolate from the document what it might say today if written and they fill in the meaning. In this way the document stays alive. This is necessary unless like Jefferson thought the document should be reworks periodically. The court decides and we live by the decision. Some decisions are popular and others not so much. This has maintained the status quo it can give the minorities a voice even against the numbers.
    Same sex marriage began as one of these issues where no matter what LGBTQ people did they would never have enough numbers to win anything. The number of supporters did grow and eventually it turned into the court case. Same sex marriage won in court. Is it force feeding the nation? Perhaps. This is not the first time decisions like this happen. The thing is same sex marriage happened to be supported by the majority according to the poles. So I guess it is not force feeding. It made the decision for the nation which was divided by states. More states supported SSM. The nation needed equal policy and this did that. Some are unhappy but this is not force fed. The court maintained a balance. It was not heavy handed. The court against all reason elected George W. Bush President and the nation went along with this. This is not new and ground breaking for the court to make decisions like this. We only need to follow along as Americans have always done.
    I support same sex marriage, as I don't care whether two people of the same sex want to get married. And yes, polls showed this sentiment to be in the majority. Of course, those polls also painted a different picture when the question involved the use of the word "marriage". But the point is moot now.

    However, you mentioned things that are more important to the masses, and I responded with an example related to immigration. Not sure why you ignored that to repeat something about SSM.

    Oh, and really, liberal/progressives need to stop pushing the lie about the Supreme Court giving Bush the White House. It just makes them look ignorant and foolish. Multiple recounts by multiple sources showed Bush won. What the Supreme Court did do, however, was stop Gore and the Florida Legislature from re-writing voting laws after the vote was cast. Perhaps you could educate yourself on those facts so you won't make the same mistake again.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Well, there IS a difference between living with someone and being married under the law. Ask any 25 year old guy, many of whom aren't ready to commit. Under the law, married people become one, in a way. Together they pay a lower income tax rate than if they are single. One can represent the other when he becomes incapacitated. They can share insurance premiums. And so on.

    In the words of the mother at the end of the movie "Blast From the Past": "No, Calvin. It's NOT the same!"
    I've been married twice. The last one for longer than you may have been alive. Legally civil unions and marriage are about the same thing. The push for gay marriage wasn't about the institution of marriage. It was about gay people appearing to be as normal as everyone else in society. I've always considered it to be a non issue and now with a little luck we won't have to hear about it anymore.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Legally civil unions and marriage are about the same thing.

    No they're not.

    1. Civil Marriages are recognized across state lines, Civil Unions are not.

    2. The Federal government recognizes only Civil Marriages, there is no Federal recognition of Civil Unions.


    Two off the top of my head.



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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    you must be to young to have been around then, but I was. So take my word for it: this wasn't an issue anyone ever heard of until the mid to late 90s. go ask anyone alive then and they will be happy to verify that.
    I asked my mom. She said you're wrong.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Nope.


    So, we selectively protect others rights, depending on cause, or item.


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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So, we selectively protect others rights, depending on cause, or item.
    Of course that is true. But, it's also true that recognizing a concealed carry license and recognizing someone's marital status as recognized by another State is just not an analogous situation.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    Of course that is true. But, it's also true that recognizing a concealed carry license and recognizing someone's marital status as recognized by another State is just not an analogous situation.

    Well it would be if a State recognized some carry permits but not other based on the gender of the person holding the license.


    But I don't know of any State doing that.


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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are the one calling for more restrictions on freedoms. That is much more in line with Middle Eastern Politics whether you accept it or not. The Constitution is and always will be the ultimate authority. It is intended to stand up to people such as yourself who would seek to restrict our freedoms (much like middle eastern countries). You are looking in a mirror and trying to deflect what is staring back.
    Nice try, but no cigar for you. The constitution is not the ultimate authority anymore, the SCOTUS is. Your silly attempts to characterize me doesn't change what this has become. And you blindly refuse to recognize it. You would burn the constitution tomorrow if you thought that would get you what you want. Have your M&Ms now when you want them, and screw everyone else that comes after.
    Roberts wrote: "If you are among the many Americans -- of whatever sexual orientation -- who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. ... But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
    Yeah, DO let me know when inanimate objects can enter into a contract.
    So you're bigoted against people with Objectum-Sexuality..... poor poor Eija-Riitta Berliner-Mauer and Sal9000.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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