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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The culture of a country is whatever is it at the current time. It's not some principle that you might think is important or what other people might find important, nor is it a goal that you or someone might have. Giving women certain rights has changed the culture of the country and the government in expected and unexpected ways both good and bad.
    So you don't believe the principles of "liberty and justice" for all is a goal that American culture strives to achieve? Okie Dokie......

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Assumptions that don't exist? I think you are either living in a bubble, or not willing to see reality.

    The Decline of Marriage And Rise of New Families | Pew Research Center

    The transformative trends of the past 50 years that have led to a sharp decline in marriage and a rise of new family forms have been shaped by attitudes and behaviors that differ by class, age and race, according to a new Pew Research Center nationwide survey, done in association with TIME, complemented by an analysis of demographic and economic data from the U.S. Census Bureau
    Your assumptions are that this is somehow a trend that is definitely going to continue or that is bad at all. The "traditional" family, the nuclear family, is actually a relatively new family form. Many societies have had extended families as the "traditional" family model.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    So since you've thought about it, what are some examples and the reasons why they would not withstand Constitutional scrutiny given this decision?
    In case you misread or misunderstood what I wrote I will say it again for you: I don't accept the slippery slope arguments which are very common in SCOTUS dissents. They rarely ever turn out to be the case. Most often they are just vitriolic rants from the losing side. The most recent tantrums and illogical arguments from this week are a perfect example.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    Your assumptions are that this is somehow a trend that is definitely going to continue or that is bad at all. The "traditional" family, the nuclear family, is actually a relatively new family form. Many societies have had extended families as the "traditional" family model.
    It's a retreat, a de-evolution into the clan model.
    Roberts wrote: "If you are among the many Americans -- of whatever sexual orientation -- who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. ... But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    Less important to whom?

    I think this right will be exercised a lot. Many people who have been fighting as activists and those sitting on the sidelines will be exercising the right.
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have no doubt there are same sex couples who are excited they can exercise their freedom to marry in any state they chose. However, this is a very small percentage of the population.
    The number of people who are excited does not lessen the impact on the nation. This has been one of the most talked about issues for years. People who usually are not political or deal with social issues have spoken on this issue. Almost everyone I would venture to say has an opinion.

    What the general population is demonstrating is that concept of marriage has less and less meaning to them. Facts and polls demonstrate this to be true.
    The concept marriage has altered statistics show this. No wait has the meaning changed of course not the value may be a better term. Easy divorce has changed this. Is it a bad thing? No it's not bad. Why should people live with someone they have grown to dislike. The nature of people has changed we are an instant gratification society. If the marriage gets boring I am out of here. Yet the new laws make the nation freer and we as humans have grown whether we like it or not. The US is different today.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your assumptions are that this is somehow a trend that is definitely going to continue or that is bad at all. The "traditional" family, the nuclear family, is actually a relatively new family form. Many societies have had extended families as the "traditional" family model.
    Please provide any data you have that it won't continue.

    I'm really lost on what you are trying to debate. I'm beginning to think you don't know as well.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In case you misread or misunderstood what I wrote I will say it again for you: I don't accept the slippery slope arguments which are very common in SCOTUS dissents. They rarely ever turn out to be the case. Most often they are just vitriolic rants from the losing side. The most recent tantrums and illogical arguments from this week are a perfect example.
    When have they not ended up being the case (the slippery slope argument)? Corporations became people, abortions became easier and easier to get, and with each decision we push farther away from the constitutional model and toward the Ayatollah model.
    Roberts wrote: "If you are among the many Americans -- of whatever sexual orientation -- who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today's decision. ... But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it."

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's a retreat, a de-evolution into the clan model.
    Extended families work pretty well, have many advantages over the nuclear family. This is likely one reason many in hard times revert back to it, because it makes sense, helps people all around.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    The number of people who are excited does not lessen the impact on the nation. This has been one of the most talked about issues for years. People who usually are not political or deal with social issues have spoken on this issue. Almost everyone I would venture to say has an opinion.


    The concept marriage has altered statistics show this. No wait has the meaning changed of course not the value may be a better term. Easy divorce has changed this. Is it a bad thing? No it's not bad. Why should people live with someone they have grown to dislike. The nature of people has changed we are an instant gratification society. If the marriage gets boring I am out of here. Yet the new laws make the nation freer and we as humans have grown whether we like it or not. The US is different today.
    Of course people have been made aware of the issue. That has been the plan. It's one of many wedge issues that by themselves are important to a few, but carry the water for the larger agenda.

    I think it's possible a "tolerance" level to these changes may be reached, if not already. I will be interesting to see if that is true.

    The fact that the US is being made different today could be a catalyst for push back.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Please provide any data you have that it won't continue.

    I'm really lost on what you are trying to debate. I'm beginning to think you don't know as well.
    I've already provided the data. The information shows that marriage slowly increased from 1920 into the 50s, 60s to the high point you are talking about. That was a high point for marriage, within a single decade, coming from a point of low marriage rates before that. It is possible that it will continue to decline, but unlikely that it won't reach a low point, then head back up or even out to a steady rate.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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