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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    It's not an oversimplification.

    I take it you've not thought beyond this ruling and what it could portend, your efforts to divert from the question notwithstanding.
    No....I just don't accept the slippery slope arguments which are very common in SCOTUS dissents. They rarely ever turn out to be the case.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have accurately portrayed the arguments. You need to look at the situation rationally, rather than in the denial you appear to be satisfied with.

    People simply voicing an opinion, or exercising their rights, have been subject to ridicule and professional destruction. Consider the founder and former CEO of Mozilla. He made a donation to a cause he believed in, and was professionally destroyed for doing so. There are 1,000's of examples of this.
    One person facing protests from a small contingent is not a majority of people. I call bull on the "1000s of examples". Hell Ten Million Moms call for boycotts of various companies every so often (or at least did) for simply showing same sex couples, same sex parents in their ads or for their supporting same sex marriage. People just recently got some radio stations to stop playing a country song that they believed had to do with a girl having an actual crush on a woman (which the song wasn't even about, they didn't even listen to the song or understand it). This was in the last few months (it's a fairly new song). I can go on and on. Most of the examples I believe you have are really people doing something that was oppressing same sex couples or homosexuals, not simply "voicing their opinion", and they got feedback from it. And most of that feedback wasn't the irrational type that you claimed.

    As I've said, both sides have their jerks and both sides have rational people, calmly explaining their viewpoint. You are exaggerating the jerks of one side and ignoring the jerks of the other.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Isn't it all subjective? I see all of those decisions as not fundamentally "changing" our culture....because America has always strived to be a society of Freedom and Justice for ALL. Sometimes we have been slow to get there, but eventually we do. I guess if you support the traditional "Justice for white male property owners" only...then you could argue that all of these changes "fundamentally changed the culture of America"....but not if you adhere to the principles upon which this great country was founded.
    The culture of a country is whatever is it at the current time. It's not some principle that you might think is important or what other people might find important, nor is it a goal that you or someone might have. Giving women certain rights has changed the culture of the country and the government in expected and unexpected ways both good and bad.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you have something to say, which I suspect you think you do, please attempt to read and comprehend my post before commenting, and please try to make a point that makes sense and doesn't require me to waste 30 seconds reading through babble, as I just did.
    Fine. It won't happen. Churches won't be successfully sued to be forced to marry a same sex couple, not in the US. Our laws, along with public opposition to this, will prevent it, at least for the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, bubba.

    Dignity is earned by your actions, not given by a piece of paper. It may take a while for that to sink in...
    Hey Pol.
    You can distinguish folks who see the ruling as an advance for all people and those who see it as yet another way to fundamentally change the Country they don't like.
    I forget who might have said that last part but I heard it awhile back.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Putting off marriage until they are mature enough (or at least they believe so) and/or financially/educationally secure enough to handle marriage best is better for society and marriages. It means that more people are actually thinking about their marriage in a responsible way rather than "I want to have sex, I should get married" or "I got pregnant, I need to get married" or "I love him/her so much, we should get married (wonder what my last name will be)".
    I have no idea what you are referring to. Putting off marriage until they are mature enough, but not putting off children for the same reason?

    Putting off sex until marriage? Where is that coming from? That ship, for the most part, sailed about 50 years ago.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Hey Pol.
    You can distinguish folks who see the ruling as an advance for all people and those who see it as yet another way to fundamentally change the Country they don't like.
    I forget who might have said that last part but I heard it awhile back.
    If you don't like rules within a country, why would you not seek to change them? If you don't like the way people are treated within a country, why would you not seek to change that? That is the entire reason our country exists, because some people did not like something about the country and sought to change it. That doesn't mean that change cannot be an advancement for the country as well.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have no idea what you are referring to. Putting off marriage until they are mature enough, but not putting off children for the same reason?

    Putting off sex until marriage? Where is that coming from? That ship, for the most part, sailed about 50 years ago.
    I would say that ship didn't really ever exist in the first place. It was at best a ship on shore with nothing but the frame built.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    One person facing protests from a small contingent is not a majority of people. I call bull on the "1000s of examples". Hell Ten Million Moms call for boycotts of various companies every so often (or at least did) for simply showing same sex couples, same sex parents in their ads or for their supporting same sex marriage. People just recently got some radio stations to stop playing a country song that they believed had to do with a girl having an actual crush on a woman (which the song wasn't even about, they didn't even listen to the song or understand it). This was in the last few months (it's a fairly new song). I can go on and on. Most of the examples I believe you have are really people doing something that was oppressing same sex couples or homosexuals, not simply "voicing their opinion", and they got feedback from it. And most of that feedback wasn't the irrational type that you claimed.

    As I've said, both sides have their jerks and both sides have rational people, calmly explaining their viewpoint. You are exaggerating the jerks of one side and ignoring the jerks of the other.

    Well, you have your opinion, and I'll just stick with the facts.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No....I just don't accept the slippery slope arguments which are very common in SCOTUS dissents. They rarely ever turn out to be the case.
    So since you've thought about it, what are some examples and the reasons why they would not withstand Constitutional scrutiny given this decision?
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