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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Honestly I don't see how marriage equality changes the culture of America at all. Did inter-racial marriage change the culture of America? Not really.....I guess if you wanna expand on your point....you could argue that the civil rights movement of the 50's-60's "changed" the culture of America as did giving women the right to vote, the Emancipation proclamation. I guess they all "changed" the culture of America in one perspective....or they furthered the culture of America in another perspective. In your mind....should the culture of America remain static?
    If you're not going to read the content of a post, why comment on it? I haven't suggested same sex marriage is going to singularly change the culture of America. Please point out where I did that.

    You're posts are a great example of circular confusion. In one post you suggest nothing has changed, and indeed the effort is to keep Christians from changing it, and in other you write changes have and will occur, and imply the Nation shouldn't remain static.

    Perhaps you could pick a position and remain consistent, or just flail about for the sake of it.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    No, the left is over-the-moon ecstatic about it because we know it is fair, just, and long overdue.

    The meltdown on the right is just icing on the gay cake someone was forced to bake.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    If you're not going to read the content of a post, why comment on it? I haven't suggested same sex marriage is going to singularly change the culture of America. Please point out where I did that.

    You're posts are a great example of circular confusion. In one post you suggest nothing has changed, and indeed the effort is to keep Christians from changing it, and in other you write changes have and will occur, and imply the Nation shouldn't remain static.

    Perhaps you could pick a position and remain consistent, or just flail about for the sake of it.
    I understand fully what your ridiculous assertion is. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of it. Your claims teeter on paranoia.....that there is some big bad progressive/liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture of America. In your mind....marriage equality is just one example of a larger agenda. My position is completely consistent. I guess if you adopt your view EVERYTHING changes the culture of America in one way or another. I don't view it that way. Examples like the Emancipation proclamation, voting rights for women, the civil rights movement, marriage equality are all extensions of the American Culture/Society of freedom and justice for all....and all are consistent with our Constitutional guarantees. They certainly all involved "change" but not change that fundamentally changed the culture of America. THAT is where you are dead wrong. Sorry.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I understand fully what your ridiculous assertion is. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of it. Your claims teeter on paranoia.....that there is some big bad progressive/liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture of America. In your mind....marriage equality is just one example of a larger agenda. My position is completely consistent. I guess if you adopt your view EVERYTHING changes the culture of America in one way or another. I don't view it that way. Examples like the Emancipation proclamation, voting rights for women, the civil rights movement, marriage equality are all extensions of the American Culture/Society of freedom and justice for all....and all are consistent with our Constitutional guarantees. They certainly all involved "change" but not change that fundamentally changed the culture of America. THAT is where you are dead wrong. Sorry.


    Ridiculous assertion, fear, paranoia,....

    You are an example of that of which I write. Unable to articulate a point, you just devolve into grade school name calling to defend the agenda.

    I have no time for such an age group.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    that there is some big bad progressive/liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture of America.
    If there is not, why does your president talk so fondly of his goal of fundamentally transforming this country? He dislikes most things about it, just as most leftists do.

    Examples like the Emancipation proclamation, voting rights for women, the civil rights movement, marriage equality are all extensions of the American Culture/Society of freedom and justice for all....and all are consistent with our Constitutional guarantees.
    Just the opposite is true of Obergefell. It is a direct threat to democratic rule and has nothing whatever to do with the Constitution. It is a substantive due process exercise in judicial fiat, much like Roe v. Wade was. I hope states will heed Justice Scalia's reminder that the Supreme Court has no way to enforce its decisions, and show this one the contempt it deserves.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I understand fully what your ridiculous assertion is. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of it. Your claims teeter on paranoia.....that there is some big bad progressive/liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture of America. In your mind....marriage equality is just one example of a larger agenda. My position is completely consistent. I guess if you adopt your view EVERYTHING changes the culture of America in one way or another. I don't view it that way. Examples like the Emancipation proclamation, voting rights for women, the civil rights movement, marriage equality are all extensions of the American Culture/Society of freedom and justice for all....and all are consistent with our Constitutional guarantees. They certainly all involved "change" but not change that fundamentally changed the culture of America. THAT is where you are dead wrong. Sorry.


    There isn't even any consistency in that post.

    First, you lose the argument because the first half is personal insults, typical "debate" from the socialist crowd in here. Second there IS a "progressive" agenda, it's called Obama's administration and it HAS been wreaking change, big bad change. Change is not limited to such grandiose ideas as the emancipation proclamation, but comes daily in small and big ways.

    Obama has changed the culture of the nation in many ways, the left is far more ugly and personal, has far more hate, and the nation has been saddled with the greatest burden of health care in the known universe.

    and THAT is where YOU are dead wrong.

    I suggest you do some reading..
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    If the guarantee of equal protection applies as broadly as the proponents of the homosexual agenda have never tired of claiming, why would a state not violate it by arbitrarily drawing the line at first cousins? Consanguinity restrictions were included in marriage laws because people realized the incidence of birth defects in offspring increased the more closely the parents were related by blood. That rationale obviously disappears where the partners are the same sex.

    I don't see what legitimate government purpose will be served any longer either by those restrictions or by state laws against adult incest outside marriage, where the partners are of the same sex. And if one or both were permanently sterile, why wouldn't it be an arbitrary injustice to deny a brother and sister the same right to marry each other? As Chief Justice Roberts noted, laws against plural marriage very well may not survive either.
    There are reasonable state interests in not allowing closer than first cousins to be involved in sexual relations, especially if one grew up around the other, related to either undue influence in the relationship (real grooming) or there is a chance of offspring with birth defects (for 1st level relations, it can be close to 40% or more), or both are concerns. I don't really see any reason not to allow case by case bases of marriage between siblings, even blood siblings, if they weren't raised together, since there is little likelihood of undue influence on the relationship.

    There are state interests involved in limiting number of legal spouses as well. They don't involve tradition, "think of the children" with no science to back up any harm to children, or random possibilities of an unknown future, nor should the argument involve "the people voted for this" (since most of these laws were put in place by legislatures). It will revolve around how legal marriage works and protects the spouses from other legal family members, society (in some ways) and each other. The arguments prior to any court challenge should include looking for ways to actually change some marriage laws to accommodate multiple spouses in a marriage (but not a person having multiple spouses not joined, since that would be a legal nightmare and have the potential for harming current spouses who might not know about new spouses).

    As with any SC battle, such cases would be decided on their own arguments, both for and against, not mainly on previous cases.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I understand fully what your ridiculous assertion is. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of it. Your claims teeter on paranoia.....that there is some big bad progressive/liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture of America. In your mind....marriage equality is just one example of a larger agenda. My position is completely consistent. I guess if you adopt your view EVERYTHING changes the culture of America in one way or another. I don't view it that way. Examples like the Emancipation proclamation, voting rights for women, the civil rights movement, marriage equality are all extensions of the American Culture/Society of freedom and justice for all....and all are consistent with our Constitutional guarantees. They certainly all involved "change" but not change that fundamentally changed the culture of America. THAT is where you are dead wrong. Sorry.
    So Dude, do you see anything at all being proposed, explored, or even positively discussed as a natural next step given the SC reasoning in their marriage decision?
    You don't have to agree with it, but has any occured to you?
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I understand fully what your ridiculous assertion is. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of it. Your claims teeter on paranoia.....that there is some big bad progressive/liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture of America. In your mind....marriage equality is just one example of a larger agenda. My position is completely consistent. I guess if you adopt your view EVERYTHING changes the culture of America in one way or another. I don't view it that way. Examples like the Emancipation proclamation, voting rights for women, the civil rights movement, marriage equality are all extensions of the American Culture/Society of freedom and justice for all....and all are consistent with our Constitutional guarantees. They certainly all involved "change" but not change that fundamentally changed the culture of America. THAT is where you are dead wrong. Sorry.
    Lol. Do you somehow not understand that all of those changed the culture of the country in pretty fundamental ways? Rights movement like the LBGT and feminists movement are all about changing cultural views and attitudes to gain whatever they are after.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol. Do you somehow not understand that all of those changed the culture of the country in pretty fundamental ways?
    Not really. Advanced the culture I think would be more accurate.

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