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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    You know, the air somehow seems sweeter today knowing that same sex marriages are happening in my state right now.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well if you didn't mean it why did you say the reason government is in the marriage business is to promote "stable, self-sufficient, productive households"? If you don't believe that a government piece of paper does exactly that, why do you support government discrimination against those who don't hold the government piece of paper? You can't state something and then ignore the consequences of your own nonsense.

    I support same sex marriage because I don't believe the government should discriminate against any individual because of their personal, lifestyle choices in government policy. You, apparently, have no such problem and feel comfortable in some fanciful idea that the magic paper makes people good spouses and productive contributors to society.
    Did you somehow translate "promote" as "guarantee?" Is that what the word means in Canadian? Whose nonsense was this, again?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    In other breaking news, it's seven o'clock here. It's seven o'clock for everybody around here. That's equal rights for ya, right there. Everybody gets to have seven o'clock.

    Okay, not everybody. It was 7:01 by the time I posted that. Who knows what time it is now. I have to look up nearly every word.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps you hadn't heard about attempts by the Obama administration to force Catholic institutions to fund health insurance packages that included free access to contraceptives. Perhaps you haven't heard about Human Rights Commissions ruling against religious people who wish not to have their businesses used in connections with same sex marriages. Perhaps you haven't heard some opine that if churches refuse to perform same sex marriages then the government should refuse to recognize all of that church's marriages.

    America, at this point in time, is fully engaged in chipping away at the extent to which religious freedoms are enjoyed in the public square. It is not the least bit a "conspiracy theory" to believe that such chipping will continue to occur and courts may, if they continue to legislate social policy, find a time when they'll cross the line into individual rights superceding religious rights.

    I'm not the slightest bit religious, so my view should be taken solely as a reflection on jurisprudence these days.
    Religious based business and whether they fund certain parts of medical procedures or not for their employees is different than churches/clergy performing religious rites/ceremonies or not. One is covered, at least to a point, by certain laws, including public accommodation laws, the other isn't. One is a business that is being run by a religious entity, even if a not-for-profit business, the other is a church, not a business at all.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't see what basis will remain for applying the consanguinity requirements of state marriage laws to homosexual partners. The traditional concern about an increased risk of genetic defects in offspring no longer is in play. Why should the right to marry each other granted to two homosexual second cousins, for example, and yet denied to them just because they are first cousins? What sense will there be in continuing to prevent two sisters, or a father and son, from marrying each other, forcing them to conduct their homosexual liaisons in secret? Why should they have to hide their love from the world, just because it is different?

    Soon it will be time for an Ozzie and Harriet show for today, featuring the wholesome, all-American homosexual, incestuous, polygamous family. Just imagine the possibilities, especially when they interacted with their equally progressive neighbors and friends! "Rick, I hope you have a good time on your date with Cindy and her mom and brother!" "Oh, thanks, Pop--I will. We're going to the malt shop, and then we'll probably play a little strip poker." Even the family dog would take on a new and unusual significance, whenever it appeared in an episode.
    First cousins should be allowed to marry, and I see that as being the next marriage cases to go up, (at least with a likelihood of winning to remove such restrictions).
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps you hadn't heard about attempts by the Obama administration to force Catholic institutions to fund health insurance packages that included free access to contraceptives.
    You mean businesses?

    Perhaps you haven't heard about Human Rights Commissions ruling against religious people who wish not to have their businesses used in connections with same sex marriages.
    Public accommodation laws are a thing. Religious beliefs aren't blanket authority to ignore any employment law you disagree with. Sorry.

    Perhaps you haven't heard some opine that if churches refuse to perform same sex marriages then the government should refuse to recognize all of that church's marriages.
    "Some" have "opined" that gay people ought to be forced onto an island exile. Don't give a **** about random idiots ideas.

    America, at this point in time, is fully engaged in chipping away at the extent to which religious freedoms are enjoyed in the public square. It is not the least bit a "conspiracy theory" to believe that such chipping will continue to occur and courts may, if they continue to legislate social policy, find a time when they'll cross the line into individual rights superceding religious rights.

    I'm not the slightest bit religious, so my view should be taken solely as a reflection on jurisprudence these days.
    No, America is chipping away at the extent to which religious people are able to force their beliefs onto others.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You mean businesses?


    Public accommodation laws are a thing. Religious beliefs aren't blanket authority to ignore any employment law you disagree with. Sorry.


    "Some" have "opined" that gay people ought to be forced onto an island exile. Don't give a **** about random idiots ideas.



    No, America is chipping away at the extent to which religious people are able to force their beliefs onto others.
    That's what legal gay marriage is, public accommodation.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's what legal gay marriage is, public accommodation.
    No, it isn't. Public accommodation refers specifically to established businesses, not recognized kinships, legal relationships.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You know, the air somehow seems sweeter today knowing that same sex marriages are happening in my state right now.
    They were legal in AZ a few months ago, and the sky didn't fall, and God didn't do anything other than give us 115 degree days, like we always get.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Wow, 130 pages! It's nice that we've finally been given the time to resolve our differences on this issue!

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