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Thread: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So, despite the divorce rate, child molesters, murders, riots, social injustices, declining rate of religion, especially Christianity, terrorism, lying, and so many other things that people do here and around the world, same sex marriage being legal everywhere instead of just most states in the US is what is going to remove God's light from our country? That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. It's plain crap. It not only presumes to know God's mind and know what "God's light" looks like, it also places homosexuality as a much higher sin or more important sin in God's perspective than all those other things.
    Not really. The god from the bible approved of death, rape, and slavery in most cases and would punish people for rather minor offenses instead. Well, unless it was his people being harmed then it was a long series of plagues. Not like he cared about his people enough to help them out in the desert they were traveling for fourty years, but you get the point.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes, I am comparing, as I wrote, to marriage a generation or so ago. Within, perhaps, your lifetime. Certainly there was a time in human history when such an official concept wasn't even in the thought process. It's rather ridiculous in the context of 2015 to go back that far.

    I agree same sex couples, in the eyes of the federal government, should be treated the same as heterosexual couples.

    However, the fact that it's an institution liberal/progressives increasingly don't care about shines a light on the bigger picture and objective. That is what I am suggesting is the greatest cause of the push back.
    First of all, it isn't just "liberals/progressives" fighting for same sex couples to be able to marry. Second, it isn't just "liberals/progressives" who don't care about marriage as an institution. In fact, the most common complaint about marriage I hear comes from libertarians, not liberals. Most people aren't completely shunning marriage, but rather simply putting it off.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not really. The god from the bible approved of death, rape, and slavery in most cases and would punish people for rather minor offenses instead. Well, unless it was his people being harmed then it was a long series of plagues. Not like he cared about his people enough to help them out in the desert they were traveling for fourty years, but you get the point.
    That God got a lot nicer in the NT, which is the God that most Christians believe in, until of course there is something they don't like that they believe God is also against.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They are in your group, and I would expect nothing else from someone but to say what is on their mind.
    I belong to no groups that operate on here. I support certain things. That doesn't put me in any real group.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That God got a lot nicer in the NT, which is the God that most Christians believe in, until of course there is something they don't like that they believe God is also against.
    Not really. The new testament is about Jesus and his beliefs of god. A prophet saying stuff does not somehow trump what God actually did.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I haven't suggested you have called anyone, anything. I have, however, accurately portrayed the argument as presented by the left. While you can chose to deny it, it is indeed a fact.

    I exaggerate nothing.

    This strategy will most certainly backfire, as it makes enemies of those who could be allies.
    No, you really haven't accurately portrayed the arguments at all, or the people who support any of those things you mentioned, not as a whole at least. You have portrayed your perception of the situation, which is highly skewed and exaggerated.

    Either you are going to actually look at things rationally and accept that both sides do what you say, but neither to the level you are portraying it to be, or you weren't going to be a real ally in the first place, just someone looking for an excuse to be against something.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not really. The new testament is about Jesus and his beliefs of god. A prophet saying stuff does not somehow trump what God actually did.
    Most Christians (not all, but the vast majority) believe that Jesus is God and/or the Son of God, not simply a prophet.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Try reading the Bible and learn God's message and what he says about men lying with men and women who do the same.
    I don't believe the Bible is anything more than words written by men a long time ago, men who believed they were speaking for God, but didn't know anymore than the rest of us what God or any higher power really wants, thinks, believes.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most Christians (not all, but the vast majority) believe that Jesus is God and/or the Son of God, not simply a prophet.
    That isn't very likely. The god in the old testament had a completely different personality and approach to life than Jesus.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That isn't very likely. The god in the old testament had a completely different personality and approach to life than Jesus.
    Ask them about it, not me. I'm not the one who holds such beliefs.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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