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Thread: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

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    How about you argue from what I've said, including context, rather than "my side". I'll take responsibility for what I said, not what others have said who you believe speak for me. If I've mispoken, then I will clarify, as I have.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How about I post in the way I want and you stop telling me what I should do.
    Not if you are going to try to hold me responsible for a whole other group of people and what they say or have said, especially without even providing context for what was said. I am then going to respond to your posts in my way.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And why should employers be held to the same standard as government? When you buy things from two different stores is there a connection between the transactions? When I hire two people is there any connection between those individual hirings? If not, why does what I offer person A have to be the same as person B?
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Sorry, but yes you did. I never suggested Gays are trying to radically change the social/culture of America. Same sex marriage is something a very small percentage of the population will ever benefit from, and the percentage of Gays in the population is what 5%? How could they possibly change the entirety of society?

    No, the point your animosity for others has blinded you from is that this specific issue is just a carrier for a much larger objective. That, in my opinion, is the reason for the opposition, not the actual principle behind same sex marriage.
    And who pray tell in your mind is the carries for a much larger objective?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    "Become" indicates that you are comparing marriage to some time in the past. Yet that is an arbitrary point in the past. Why is it a problem that it has become "passe"? In reality, it is just that people are changing their priorities, putting marriage at least, and even in many cases children (which is good) after establishing a career, some financial security.

    It doesn't matter if only a small percent of that small percent of same sex couples want to get married. They should still have the right to do so, just as opposite sex couples do.
    Yes, I am comparing, as I wrote, to marriage a generation or so ago. Within, perhaps, your lifetime. Certainly there was a time in human history when such an official concept wasn't even in the thought process. It's rather ridiculous in the context of 2015 to go back that far.

    I agree same sex couples, in the eyes of the federal government, should be treated the same as heterosexual couples.

    However, the fact that it's an institution liberal/progressives increasingly don't care about shines a light on the bigger picture and objective. That is what I am suggesting is the greatest cause of the push back.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not if you are going to try to hold me responsible for a whole other group of people and what they say or have said, especially without even providing context for what was said. I am then going to respond to your posts in my way.
    They are in your group, and I would expect nothing else from someone but to say what is on their mind.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is how you are seeing it. In reality, the majority are saying "if you have an issue with same sex marriage in terms of your faith, then you need to understand that your faith applies to you, not to others. You cannot force others to live by your faith. That violates our rights and freedoms as Americans." Only a minority accuses people of being bigots.

    I haven't called anyone racist, nor have I seen very many others do so, at least not debating here. (Unless there is someone who is not putting it nearly as rationally as you are, which does happen.)

    Again, very few actually insult others about their stance on taking responsibility. What I have seen much of the time is people saying that it is more republican based policies that lead to others having financial problems, or simply greed, and then they are told to take responsibility when they struggle to survive in such a situation where they are dependent on others.

    You are exaggerating the negative reactions and completely overlooking the negative beginning statements to those things. There is very little times when the debates ever operate with one side (in your examples, all of them, the right) being completely rational, and then the other side (again, in your examples being the left) being completely irrational and just plain jackasses in their responses. That simply isn't reality. There are rational people and jackasses on both sides.

    I haven't suggested you have called anyone, anything. I have, however, accurately portrayed the argument as presented by the left. While you can chose to deny it, it is indeed a fact.

    I exaggerate nothing.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    And who pray tell in your mind is the carries for a much larger objective?
    Perhaps, pray tell, you could construct your question in a way it could be understood.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post

    However, the fact that it's an institution liberal/progressives increasingly don't care about shines a light on the bigger picture and objective. That is what I am suggesting is the greatest cause of the push back.
    Thats funny....liberals caused state sanctioning of marriage to be expanded, but somehow this was done while not caring about the institution.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps, pray tell, you could construct your question in a way it could be understood.
    Well.....you are claiming that some phantom organized group of people is seeking to change the social construct/culture of America.....but it isn't the gays. I'm simply asking you, who in your mind is this phantom organized group that is seeking to change American culture...and what exactly is their agenda that you are concerned about.

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