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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    The only slight surprise that I had in the ruling is that Justice Roberts sided with the minority. Justice Roberts has shown an inclination to be extremely protective of his legacy. I'm surprised that he would go down as being on the wrong side of history.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hilarious. You couldn't have it more backward if you tried. It isn't gays pushing for massive social/cultural change.....it is the right-wing bigots that are making the issue of it all. In fact, they are the ones to thank for gay marriage being here today. Gays, by and large, woiuld have been fine a couple of decades ago with domestic partnerships and would not have pushed the marriage factor as they did if it hadn't been for the right-wing social groups preventing domestic partnerships. It was only when gay marriage became inevitable that they started crying "Why aren't domestic partnerships enough?"

    You are correct that the majority of people don't have an issue with it....and it wouldn't be an issue...except for the fact that the bigots will continue to fight it and push it to the forefront of their radical right-wing agenda. If it weren't for them....gay people would be happy to go about living their daily lives.
    LOL

    As usual, you missed the point. In fact, all you have done is prove it. Well done!
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about, but it has zero to do with the point I've been making all along. There's nothing magical about a government piece of paper - the only difference it provides is that the government then looks at individuals differently when bestowing privileges and benefits. If the government piece of paper didn't exist, individuals through contract laws would determine the extent and scope of their personal relationships and how such a relationship would progress or terminate. All the government piece of paper does is make work for lawyers when dealing with those who want to terminate marriage or for the majority of people who aren't holders of the government sanction.

    Just as the government doesn't issue a standard will that is the only will acknowledged by courts and the government doesn't issue a standard living will that is the only living will acknowledged by hospitals and courts, and just as the government doesn't issue the only business contracts that are acknowledged by courts, there is zero need for a government contract for marriage.

    You deem it necessary because the government has intruded into the process and you can't fathom a world where the government doesn't own your personal relationships. I, however, believe differently and I'm not interested in being beholden to government to manage my personal life and I shouldn't be penalized for that position.
    Contract law does not cover the same things that marriage does because marriage deals with legal kinship, establishing a very specific legal kinship, the same as birth certificates and adoption paperwork does. That is not just a contract because that recognized legal kinship comes with certain legal rights and benefits, but also responsibilities that are so numerous that it would take massive paperwork for people to make individual contracts dealing with it. Instead, the government simplifies the process, having a general set of laws for the recognition of the kinship that applies to all people, and then people can choose to change certain parts through individual contracts if their situations require it (most don't).

    It doesn't matter how you believe or what you think you are or are not "beholden" to the government to pertaining to marriage. It really has very little to do with you unless you are married.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    As usual, you missed the point. In fact, all you have done is prove it. Well done!

    Sorry.....didn't miss the point at all. Your claim that gays are trying to radically change the social/culture of America is ludicrous. Gay people would be happy to live their lives without incident. It is the vocal minority of the radical right wing that is pushing a social agenda that is causing all the ruckus.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    nope your distortion of the argument is noted.

    nothing in there protects church or pastors from lawsuits.

    as stated before pastors act in the power of the state to sign marriage licenses. it would be very easy for them to be sued for not marrying a gay couple.
    churches offer their buildings to all sorts of outside events from garage sales to bake sales etc for different things. marriages and funerals.
    again technically all churches are open to anyone that wants to enter. they can easily be sued under public accomidation laws.

    nothing in the ruling protect freedom of religion. it will have to work it's way through the court system.
    Public Accommodation laws themselves protect churches from successfully being sued over not performing a ceremony for anyone they don't want to. And no, all churches are not open to anyone who wants to enter. You really need to do some more research.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are free to oppose same sex marriage in their personal lives and even be upset that same sex couples can legally marry, but to attempt to prevent others from getting legal recognition for their relationships simply based on "I don't approve of such relationships" without being able to show any actual legitimate societal concern beyond "morality concerns" for them goes against the Constitution to maintain restrictions on those marriages in the law.

    It is not absurd at all. And if it were just a few people in support of this, then it would not have been an issue at all because an Amendment would have been passed back in the early 2000s to stop it. Now, we have majority support for same sex marriage. I'm not gay but have supported same sex couples getting married since I was old enough to understand that they couldn't get married but opposite sex couples could and that this was because of laws in our country.
    Yes they are free to do so. They should be respected in their beliefs, just as those who support same sex marriage should be respected in theirs.

    Like you, I have no problem at all with same sex marriage. I base it on the law. Whether due process, or equal protection. In the end, I don't see how the government could oppose it. I do see a massive slippery slope, which is always a concern of mine.

    Perhaps I'm not articulating it well. To me, the greatest catalyst for the acrimony contained in the issue is the use of gay marriage as a vehicle for a much greater agenda. I think that is where the opposition to the concept is coming from, as opposed to actual rejection of the right.
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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And just to be clear, if you think all marriages provide "stable, self-sufficient, productive households", particularly in the 21st century, you've got the wrong idea about who's the "whackjob".
    Did you notice that the gay movement isn't concerned with the relationship actually suceeding at all?

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    President Lincoln followed Presidents Jefferson, Madison, and Jackson in refusing to accept the idea that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what the Constitution means. He said this in his First Inaugural address, with the 1857 Dred Scott decision in mind:

    I do not forget the position assumed by some, that constitutional questions are to be decided by the Supreme Court, nor do I deny that such decisions must be binding in any case, upon the parties to a suit, as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all paralel [sic] cases, by all other departments of the government. At the same time the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the government, upon vital questions, affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made the people will have ceased, to be their own rulers, having, to that extent, practically resigned their government, into the hands of that worthy tribunal.

    The decision in Obergefell flagrantly ignores the Constitution, and it deserves no respect. I hope the states and their people will feel free to ignore it as the lawless dictate it is.
    Thats a real gem coming from the Tyrant who later removed his belt... dropped his trousers, and took a giant wet leaky **** all over the Constitution with the way he amassed power despite other branches of the government and the people themselves telling him he can't do it.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Poor Goshin is very, very upset that anyone would dare question his words on a debate forum. Bye dude.
    He has a point.... you were being awfully nitpicky.

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    Re: Breaking: US S.Ct. Rules Same Sex Marriage Constitutionally Protected[W:320]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry.....didn't miss the point at all. Your claim that gays are trying to radically change the social/culture of America is ludicrous. Gay people would be happy to live their lives without incident. It is the vocal minority of the radical right wing that is pushing a social agenda that is causing all the ruckus.
    Sorry, but yes you did. I never suggested Gays are trying to radically change the social/culture of America. Same sex marriage is something a very small percentage of the population will ever benefit from, and the percentage of Gays in the population is what 5%? How could they possibly change the entirety of society?

    No, the point your animosity for others has blinded you from is that this specific issue is just a carrier for a much larger objective. That, in my opinion, is the reason for the opposition, not the actual principle behind same sex marriage.
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