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France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

Mornin Gardner. :2wave: Did he say anything about Crab-Apples? :2razz:

Considering He lived in a very arid climate, I can only assume if He did so, it was with an absence of Malus
 
But we now know it wasn't 2 guys pissed at the company for some reason - it was 2 terrorists writing islamic sayings on a persons head then chopping it off and putting it on a gate as well as leaving ISIS flags in the area, of of the guys named Yassine Salhi.

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So it seems as though the initial reports were not jumping the gun but fairly accurate.

Pffft, you call all that evidence of intent? Coincidence. Nothing more.
 
Explaining the causes of terror attacks means condoning them? What planet did you learn your logic from? :doh

Terror attacks are a problem, if you want to solve that problem you need to find out whats causing it.


Ah, more sniping from the apartheid supporter, why am I not surprised? :roll:



Apartheid?

Have you ever considered honesty as an alternative to whatever it is you are doing here?


I have never even mentioned South Africa much less offered my support for the political system formerly in place.
 
Pffft, you call all that evidence of intent? Coincidence. Nothing more.

That's a fair cop...... all French people have two of those ISIS flags flying at all times - it could have come from anywhere. And that head that's pixelated out.... that was bought on the internet. Damn... and I thought I had something too!
 
But we now know it wasn't 2 guys pissed at the company for some reason - it was 2 terrorists writing islamic sayings on a persons head then chopping it off and putting it on a gate as well as leaving ISIS flags in the area, of of the guys named Yassine Salhi.

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So it seems as though the initial reports were not jumping the gun but fairly accurate.

Actually you are also being a tad inaccurate.. See the white flag? That aint ISIS that is for sure, and just because there is a black flag with arabic writing does not mean it is ISIS.

Also the name aint Arabic, but North African, more specific Morocco. In fact it is also the name of a pro footballer if I remember right.

All I am saying is that we cant as of yet state that the motive was based on religious fanaticism.. for one these boneheads are still alive. Now was it a terrorist attack.... well again what is puzzling is the target. Normally terrorist attacks like the South Carolina Church attack are against public places. This was against a gas plant in an industrial area.. makes no sense to attack that if you want to a propaganda victory or something like that.

Look at the attacks today... Kuwait in a massive mosque and in Tunisia at a tourist hotspot... and then these 2 guys trying to drive into a factory? Makes no sense.
 
No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.

Goodness, Pete, and it could also be two multi-headed ungulates from the planet Ophiuchi prime just visiting on holiday who are pissed off by the poor quality of the service they received at Chez Gazon!
 
That is what I was referring to in education. The current education system in France and generally in Europe fails to deal with the subject of radicalism among the Muslim youth. As to using force I'm talking about people who will be convicted of incitement to radicalism by court, not just giving the government an authority to decide who fits the standards and who does not.

But where should that authority draw the line and how would you prevent it from being abused? Even if you involved the court there would still be a risk of people being framed Sacco and Vanzetti style. Not to mention that the risk of being taken to court with be enough to scare many away from making legitimate criticisms of Western foreign policy in public. In the UK for example you can still be detained without trial for three months in you are accused on anything related to terroism. This would be enough to cause many to err on the side of caution when discussing things like Western support for Saudi Arabia and/or its interventions in Bahrain and Yemen, of which there are many legitimate criticisms to make.

I remember my high school politics teacher telling me she used to get her students to look at extremist websites and then debate which should be censored and which should not. She no longer feels safe to do so now that the law has changed. This is not a fear that should exist in any civilised society.

The more these discussions are forced behind closed doors the more radical they will be and the harder they will be to monitor. As much as tabloids may complain about having people like Abu Hamza on the lose at least we know who these people are and what they are doing, forcing them to operate underground would make this a lot harder.

Lastly banning any speach makes it look like its exponants know something the government doesnt want the public to know. On the contrary these views are backwards, abhorrent and illogical and can be easily exposed as such when up for public debate. Banning them makes these arguemnts appear far more compelling then they actually are as well as depriving us of the opportunity to refrute them.
 
Actually you are also being a tad inaccurate.. See the white flag? That aint ISIS that is for sure, and just because there is a black flag with arabic writing does not mean it is ISIS.

Also the name aint Arabic, but North African, more specific Morocco. In fact it is also the name of a pro footballer if I remember right.

All I am saying is that we cant as of yet state that the motive was based on religious fanaticism.. for one these boneheads are still alive. Now was it a terrorist attack.... well again what is puzzling is the target. Normally terrorist attacks like the South Carolina Church attack are against public places. This was against a gas plant in an industrial area.. makes no sense to attack that if you want to a propaganda victory or something like that.

Look at the attacks today... Kuwait in a massive mosque and in Tunisia at a tourist hotspot... and then these 2 guys trying to drive into a factory? Makes no sense.

And all I'm saying is they (whoever perpetrated this) went out of their way to make it look like a terrorist attack from the arabic writing on the head, the decapitation, the black flag, the bomb being set, the American company targeted. What you'd want me to believe is that the animal we have here, with webbed feet, with water resistant feathers, which waddles and quacks, that has a flat bill, a long neck and a squat body isn't a duck. The question is why would you want me to believe that?
 
And all I'm saying is they (whoever perpetrated this) went out of their way to make it look like a terrorist attack from the arabic writing on the head, the decapitation, the black flag, the bomb being set, the American company targeted. What you'd want me to believe is that the animal we have here, with webbed feet, with water resistant feathers, which waddles and quacks, that has a flat bill, a long neck and a squat body isn't a duck. The question is why would you want me to believe that?

The lengths that some people go to not call something, what it undoubtedly is, is astounding.
 
No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.

How many News Sources used the word Terror, or Terrorist Pete?
 
How many News Sources used the word Terror, or Terrorist Pete?

The weight of evidence is sometimes just not enough for some. That leaves very little, other than to question their motives,
 
The weight of evidence is sometimes just not enough for some. That leaves very little, other than to question their motives,


Mornin Gunner. :2wave: Usually the police do know who to call, when they know it is something beyond their realm of control. ;)


French prosecutors: Anti-terrorist section deployed to southeast France to investigate factory attack incident - @Reuters

French prosecutors: Anti-terrorist section deployed to southeast France to investigate factory attack incident - @Reuters - breakingnews.com
 
And all I'm saying is they (whoever perpetrated this) went out of their way to make it look like a terrorist attack from the arabic writing on the head, the decapitation, the black flag, the bomb being set, the American company targeted. What you'd want me to believe is that the animal we have here, with webbed feet, with water resistant feathers, which waddles and quacks, that has a flat bill, a long neck and a squat body isn't a duck. The question is why would you want me to believe that?

You can believe what ever you want, I just dont want to jump to irrational conclusions before we know more about what the motives of those to idiots were. If they say it was because of some brain dead religious reason, then fine call it Islamic, but until then I think we should be careful. There are some strange things going on with this attack and we lack all the information. For example the dead guy was a local businessman. Could it be connected to him or the company? Would not be the first time a disgruntled former employee went nuts...

Do you remember the guy who decapitated the old woman in London a year ago or so? People were screaming Islamic attack.. well it was not. Back then, there was also strange evidence of something was not exactly right.... just as there is today.

We shall see.
 
that is clearly either a very poorly educated radical or has nothing to do with radical Islam.


A certain number of people latch onto radical Islam because they are desperately looking for a cause. Once latched on, they become willing to engage in terrorism while having very little understanding of what they are committing terrorism for. The cause is not important, rather it is the sense of belonging to something bigger than themselves.

We have had a certain number of poorly educated radicals here. Most are converts. In past instances, they have evidently horribly mispelled arabic in their jihad threat letters, confused the Koran for the Hadith when quoting material, referred to Afghanistan was an Arab nation, and threatned to attack parts of Turkey during a police interrogation (got confused as to where Israel is on a map).

Look at the attacks today... Kuwait in a massive mosque and in Tunisia at a tourist hotspot... and then these 2 guys trying to drive into a factory? Makes no sense.

Jihaders can be divided into two general types:

- The full Al Queda or ISIS trained, vetted and fully indoctrinated "A Team" professionals
- "B-Team" amateurs spontaneoulsy responding to inter net calls for total jihad- against everything.
 
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You can believe what ever you want, I just dont want to jump to irrational conclusions before we know more about what the motives of those to idiots were.

That's fine - but I just don't see it as an irrational jump to a conclusion. You require a DNA test on the duck to prove it's a duck - that's just fine.
 
How many News Sources used the word Terror, or Terrorist Pete?

And? At the time of my first post the word "possible" was in front of almost all those sources. This has changed for some, but still is there for many.

Just now we learn there was not 2 men, but one.. In fact the BBC is just now breaking some interesting news. The dead man is the owner of a delivery company. The man arrested for this attack, worked for this company and used the company´s truck to try to carry out this supposed attack. The words "local grievance" are already being used.

So how about we wait and see for the investigation to be ended first?
 
The weight of evidence is sometimes just not enough for some. That leaves very little, other than to question their motives,

Some people also have an extremely difficult time grasping the concept of probability.

If the likelihood is 99.99999%, their agenda absolutely demands that they point out the .00001, and to be done with the inference that this actually represents some sort of reasonable likelihood rather than something incredibly remote they offered with full intent to obfuscate.
 
All you have to do is knock the valve off of one of the cylinders and you've got your basic rocket engine, which is why they have those guards. It could cause a lot of damage but probably not go boom. But I think you're right, this was not the first string.

Very true, I once worked at a restaraunt and saw a loose CO2 bottle but a big hole in a wall (and that was a small one).

But, the jihaders would then need to run around knocking the heads off each cylinder individually with a sledge hammer, while keeping out of each others way, and staying out of the way of richoeting cylinders. As you said, definetly not the jihader "A- team".
 
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Don't complain about their moronic inefficiency.

No, I am real happy they are too stupid to be effective/efficient. They are just 2 steps smarter than Ahmed the dead terrorist but sadly their morality and views on society are those of utter intolerant morons.
 
And? At the time of my first post the word "possible" was in front of almost all those sources. This has changed for some, but still is there for many.

Just now we learn there was not 2 men, but one.. In fact the BBC is just now breaking some interesting news. The dead man is the owner of a delivery company. The man arrested for this attack, worked for this company and used the company´s truck to try to carry out this supposed attack. The words "local grievance" are already being used.

So how about we wait and see for the investigation to be ended first?


Pete, we have the French Prime Minister stating they know who this Terrorist is. We have the French sending in their Anti terrorism team. They pretty much know now it is a terrorist attack. ;)



Attacks in France, Tunisia and Kuwait ......


There have been three attacks today, around the world. We'll have live updates on all of them here. Below are the stories we're following. Stay with us. In France, a decapitated body covered in Arabic writing was found at a U.S. gas company in the southeast after an assailant rammed a car into the premises, triggering an explosion. The attacker survived the blast and was arrested. Read more.

At least 27 people, including foreign tourists, were killed when at least one gunman opened fire on a Tunisian beachside hotel in the popular resort of Sousse. Read more.

A suicide bomber blew himself up at a packed Shi'ite Muslim mosque in Kuwait city during Friday prayers, killing more than ten people, the governor of Kuwait City said. The Islamic State militant group claimed responsibility for the attack. Read more......snip~

Attacks in France, Tunisia and Kuwait | Reuters.com
 
Cmon Pos, :2wave: you don't believe that do you.....the only way it stops is, When they have attained their Caliphate or they are Destroyed in a way that takes what lil heart they have and crushes their full hearted belief in Islam.

Once they know that others will make sure that they have no way to Allah.....it will change their whole entire mental construct.

MMC, the reason why these terrorists are so many is because they are outraged by the West's constant intervention in Muslim countries. There are many in Iraq and Syria that will oppose them if we leave them alone. In fact the reason an ISIS caliphate exists is because we invaded Iraq in the first place. By continuing our interventions over there we are playing into their hands.
 
Lol. It's inevitable. Maybe I need a rule named after me, like Godwin's Law. hmmm

Or a TV show.
Something about your experiences here on DP.
I HAVE IT !!!
We can call it the X Files.
 
Apartheid?

Have you ever considered honesty as an alternative to whatever it is you are doing here?


I have never even mentioned South Africa much less offered my support for the political system formerly in place.
Im far more honest than you are and your fanatical support for Isreal's evil persecution of a people who have no country.


A "problem"? Seriously? That's the worst you can say about it? So what do you object to more, the killings or the people upset about the killings. Which pisses you off more?

Im pissed off because our government is playing into the terrorist's hands by their Mid East interventions thereby empowering them and instead of doing something concrete about it they practice fauxrage and nothing else.
 
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