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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But we now know it wasn't 2 guys pissed at the company for some reason - it was 2 terrorists writing islamic sayings on a persons head then chopping it off and putting it on a gate as well as leaving ISIS flags in the area, of of the guys named Yassine Salhi.



    So it seems as though the initial reports were not jumping the gun but fairly accurate.
    Actually you are also being a tad inaccurate.. See the white flag? That aint ISIS that is for sure, and just because there is a black flag with arabic writing does not mean it is ISIS.

    Also the name aint Arabic, but North African, more specific Morocco. In fact it is also the name of a pro footballer if I remember right.

    All I am saying is that we cant as of yet state that the motive was based on religious fanaticism.. for one these boneheads are still alive. Now was it a terrorist attack.... well again what is puzzling is the target. Normally terrorist attacks like the South Carolina Church attack are against public places. This was against a gas plant in an industrial area.. makes no sense to attack that if you want to a propaganda victory or something like that.

    Look at the attacks today... Kuwait in a massive mosque and in Tunisia at a tourist hotspot... and then these 2 guys trying to drive into a factory? Makes no sense.
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.
    Goodness, Pete, and it could also be two multi-headed ungulates from the planet Ophiuchi prime just visiting on holiday who are pissed off by the poor quality of the service they received at Chez Gazon!
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That is what I was referring to in education. The current education system in France and generally in Europe fails to deal with the subject of radicalism among the Muslim youth. As to using force I'm talking about people who will be convicted of incitement to radicalism by court, not just giving the government an authority to decide who fits the standards and who does not.
    But where should that authority draw the line and how would you prevent it from being abused? Even if you involved the court there would still be a risk of people being framed Sacco and Vanzetti style. Not to mention that the risk of being taken to court with be enough to scare many away from making legitimate criticisms of Western foreign policy in public. In the UK for example you can still be detained without trial for three months in you are accused on anything related to terroism. This would be enough to cause many to err on the side of caution when discussing things like Western support for Saudi Arabia and/or its interventions in Bahrain and Yemen, of which there are many legitimate criticisms to make.

    I remember my high school politics teacher telling me she used to get her students to look at extremist websites and then debate which should be censored and which should not. She no longer feels safe to do so now that the law has changed. This is not a fear that should exist in any civilised society.

    The more these discussions are forced behind closed doors the more radical they will be and the harder they will be to monitor. As much as tabloids may complain about having people like Abu Hamza on the lose at least we know who these people are and what they are doing, forcing them to operate underground would make this a lot harder.

    Lastly banning any speach makes it look like its exponants know something the government doesnt want the public to know. On the contrary these views are backwards, abhorrent and illogical and can be easily exposed as such when up for public debate. Banning them makes these arguemnts appear far more compelling then they actually are as well as depriving us of the opportunity to refrute them.

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Actually you are also being a tad inaccurate.. See the white flag? That aint ISIS that is for sure, and just because there is a black flag with arabic writing does not mean it is ISIS.

    Also the name aint Arabic, but North African, more specific Morocco. In fact it is also the name of a pro footballer if I remember right.

    All I am saying is that we cant as of yet state that the motive was based on religious fanaticism.. for one these boneheads are still alive. Now was it a terrorist attack.... well again what is puzzling is the target. Normally terrorist attacks like the South Carolina Church attack are against public places. This was against a gas plant in an industrial area.. makes no sense to attack that if you want to a propaganda victory or something like that.

    Look at the attacks today... Kuwait in a massive mosque and in Tunisia at a tourist hotspot... and then these 2 guys trying to drive into a factory? Makes no sense.
    And all I'm saying is they (whoever perpetrated this) went out of their way to make it look like a terrorist attack from the arabic writing on the head, the decapitation, the black flag, the bomb being set, the American company targeted. What you'd want me to believe is that the animal we have here, with webbed feet, with water resistant feathers, which waddles and quacks, that has a flat bill, a long neck and a squat body isn't a duck. The question is why would you want me to believe that?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The question is why would you want me to believe that?
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And all I'm saying is they (whoever perpetrated this) went out of their way to make it look like a terrorist attack from the arabic writing on the head, the decapitation, the black flag, the bomb being set, the American company targeted. What you'd want me to believe is that the animal we have here, with webbed feet, with water resistant feathers, which waddles and quacks, that has a flat bill, a long neck and a squat body isn't a duck. The question is why would you want me to believe that?
    The lengths that some people go to not call something, what it undoubtedly is, is astounding.
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.
    How many News Sources used the word Terror, or Terrorist Pete?

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How many News Sources used the word Terror, or Terrorist Pete?
    The weight of evidence is sometimes just not enough for some. That leaves very little, other than to question their motives,
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    The weight of evidence is sometimes just not enough for some. That leaves very little, other than to question their motives,

    Mornin Gunner. Usually the police do know who to call, when they know it is something beyond their realm of control.


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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And all I'm saying is they (whoever perpetrated this) went out of their way to make it look like a terrorist attack from the arabic writing on the head, the decapitation, the black flag, the bomb being set, the American company targeted. What you'd want me to believe is that the animal we have here, with webbed feet, with water resistant feathers, which waddles and quacks, that has a flat bill, a long neck and a squat body isn't a duck. The question is why would you want me to believe that?
    You can believe what ever you want, I just dont want to jump to irrational conclusions before we know more about what the motives of those to idiots were. If they say it was because of some brain dead religious reason, then fine call it Islamic, but until then I think we should be careful. There are some strange things going on with this attack and we lack all the information. For example the dead guy was a local businessman. Could it be connected to him or the company? Would not be the first time a disgruntled former employee went nuts...

    Do you remember the guy who decapitated the old woman in London a year ago or so? People were screaming Islamic attack.. well it was not. Back then, there was also strange evidence of something was not exactly right.... just as there is today.

    We shall see.
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