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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    Will this ever stop...
    That's highly unlikely. How many of these 'refugees' have affiliations with Islamic terrorist groups and how many are legitimate?

    If past polls are anything to go by, its about 50/50.

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    But where should that authority draw the line and how would you prevent it from being abused? Even if you involved the court there would still be a risk of people being framed Sacco and Vanzetti style. Not to mention that the risk of being taken to court with be enough to scare many away from making legitimate criticisms of Western foreign policy in public. In the UK for example you can still be detained without trial for three months in you are accused on anything related to terroism. This would be enough to cause many to err on the side of caution when discussing things like Western support for Saudi Arabia and/or its interventions in Bahrain and Yemen, of which there are many legitimate criticisms to make.

    I remember my high school politics teacher telling me she used to get her students to look at extremist websites and then debate which should be censored and which should not. She no longer feels safe to do so now that the law has changed. This is not a fear that should exist in any civilised society.

    The more these discussions are forced behind closed doors the more radical they will be and the harder they will be to monitor. As much as tabloids may complain about having people like Abu Hamza on the lose at least we know who these people are and what they are doing, forcing them to operate underground would make this a lot harder.

    Lastly banning any speach makes it look like its exponants know something the government doesnt want the public to know. On the contrary these views are backwards, abhorrent and illogical and can be easily exposed as such when up for public debate. Banning them makes these arguemnts appear far more compelling then they actually are as well as depriving us of the opportunity to refrute them.
    The kind of "speech" you're referring to is incitement to violence, to radicalism, to Jihad if you wish to call it by its name. There ain't a single democracy on this planet that treats incitement to violence as free speech. They all have rules that forbid it and treat it accordingly as a crime, as hate speech. My position is merely to have these rules strongly enforced and give maximum punishments to those who engage in such incitement, along with an education system that educates the nation's Muslim youth towards moderate values and against violence and radicalism.

    Yes, it can be abused, innocents can end up being charged with a crime they are not responsible for, but that's the way it is with every other crime as well so what's the point? The concern you're raising is referring to the justice system in general and how trustworthy and reliable it is in its decisions, and not a concern with one specific law or another.

    There's no sense in worrying about the radical Islamic ideology becoming more compelling when it is already ridiculously compelling to young European Muslims due to the lack of action that allows it. Actions need to be taken against it, practical actions, actions that lead to actual results and not these empty politicians' promises after every act of terrorism to "fight radicalism" that do nothing to prevent the next attack.
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Christianity did the same thing, only worse.
    LOL! It had to come but I expected it from PeteEU!

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is about politics
    Really? So what political objective was behind the decapitation of this innocent man?

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Point out to me the exact words that I said in defense of it. Grow up.
    No,what you did was deflect, knowing full well this decapitation had nothing to do with Christianity.

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    terrorist was a french citizen or an isis militant ?
    It was a Muslim and the man is still dead..

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No jumping the gun in calling it terror at the time of my post. For all we know it could be 2 guys that are pissed at the company for some reason and that is still the case.
    Yes, that's probably it, Pete. Just a couple of annoyed Muslims taking some job action. The fellow who was decapitated was probably the CEO, right?

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Pffft, you call all that evidence of intent? Coincidence. Nothing more.
    An obvious case of work place violence.

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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, that's probably it, Pete. Just a couple of annoyed Muslims taking some job action. The fellow who was decapitated was probably the CEO, right?
    Like the ancient Egyptian woman who had to wash her child's clothes, Pete too is in the Nile.
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    Re: France attack: Man decapitated in attack near Lyon

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    MMC, the reason why these terrorists are so many is because they are outraged by the West's constant intervention in Muslim countries. There are many in Iraq and Syria that will oppose them if we leave them alone. In fact the reason an ISIS caliphate exists is because we invaded Iraq in the first place. By continuing our interventions over there we are playing into their hands.
    You seem to know a great deal of the motives of these people. Who are your sources?

    Perhaps in your next communique with the terrorists you can tell them that following the next US election a coalition will be formed to turn their surroundings into the worlds largest slab of hairy glass.

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