WSUwarrior
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Were doomed.
Were doomed.
College educated white women ≠ all white women.
Whites are not "dying off"
There is plenty of room for common ground
wasn't it the conservatives bashing liberals for indulging in identity politics for so many years?
Citizens have every right to adhere to their old cultures; to generate new cultural relationships; to refuse to culturally assimilate, if they so choose.
I see little support for this
European groups were seen...as an existential threat to America
I don't see much difference between Irish and Hispanic patterns of immigration
Nor are Hispanics a monolithic block. Mexicans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Colombians, they are all distinct groups. Even within those nationalities are different ethnic groups, different political views, and so on.
So your idea of an "awesome" triumph of American culture is... Chipotle?
This whole thread is about skin color, and you come out with a bull**** statement like that.Some racists will always pre-judge others by the color of their skin.
"The only race on this planet is the human race."
So 50% = 100%. Good to know.You realize college educated white females account for well over 50% of the total group, right?
The upper classes are doing just fine. The loss of the middle classes has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or birth rates, and everything to do with economic inequality.The economically productive Upper and Middle Classes who actually pay the taxes and spend the money necessary to keep things running in this country are failing to replace their numbers....
Seems to me that they already do. They just aren't flocking to the Republican Party yet. Is that what this is about?My best case scenario here, actually, would involve large numbers of Latinos smoothly and relatively quickly making the transition to the Middle Classes, and making common ground with Middle Class Whites on the grounds of economic interests, rather than ethnicity.
What does that mean, exactly? What does "white majority American culture" mean? Are you terrified that Nick at Night will go dark? That fewer people will dance the polka? That hamburger consumption will drop?In doing so, they will be satisfied with nothing less than the near complete dismantling of everything the present White majority (i.e. American) culture stands for.
Nope. Looks pretty good to me.You think all this "Confederate Flag" hullabaloo is bad?
And yet, millions of people, of all ethnic groups and from around the world, visit DC and gaze admiringly at the Washington Monument.Just wait till two or three decades from now, when some "social justice" minded imbecile decides that a "patriarchal white male slave owning war monger" shouldn't be on the one dollar bill... Or have a monument in our nation's capital, for that matter.
And yet again, nativism rears its ugly head.This latest group of immigrants are different. They're coming faster, in greater numbers, share far more cultural similarities with one another than they do differences, have the benefit of idiotic "multicultural" ideology actively encouraging them not to assimilate, and the mainstream culture is in active decline at the moment anyway.
You forgot "soccer loving."You don't think a horde of newly arrived Spanish speaking Catholic Latin Americans all mixing together in the same lower income areas aren't going to more closely identify with one another than a bunch of English speaking "gringos?"
So what you're saying is: There is no such thing as "white culture." Good to know.Yup. I'm an Irish, Scotch-Irish, English, Italian, German, Norwegian, French, and Cheerokee mutt, with no real connection to any of those nations' cultures, or languages. I'm simply an average "White" American schmo, who occasionally likes to eat spaghetti, oogle busty blondes in lederhosen and pig tails carrying jugs of beer, and get drunk on St. Patrick's day.
American has ALWAYS divided itself up into tribes.I'm sorry, but that is America. It is the "American dream." This country's not supposed to be a divided nation made up of a bunch of little ethnic and racial tribes.
And yet, that unwieldy mess is EXACTLY how the US has conducted itself for well over a century.There is, simply speaking, no way in Hell such an unwieldy mess could ever realistically function. All such a state of affairs could ever hope to promote was conflict and competition.
In the words of Anonin Scalia: Applesauce.To the contrary, the United States is supposed to be one culture, and one people, all bearing true faith and allegiance to the Constitution and Republic above all.
Yes, actually, I do wonder that sometimes. White people aren't a unified bloc, and never were. Simply having higher white birthrates isn't going to change anything. The animus you presume is a self-fulfilling prophesy by the right-wing. The more the right rants about how awful it is to have all these brown people running around, the less likely those groups are to think you're willing to work with the right-wing, even when there's common ground.What people like you basically go out of your way to tell us is that you are actively trying to destroy that, chasing after some impossibly naive vision of "multicultural" utopia. You wonder why we assume the worst?
This whole thread is about skin color, and you come out with a bull**** statement like that.
To expand on a certain point:
Whites are not a monolithic block. Neither are blacks, Hispanics, Asians and so on. E.g., all these groups have some different interests based on:
- religion / denomination
- income
- social class
- education
- ancestry
- age
- family size
- gender
- sexual preference
- geographic region
- urban / suburban / rural
- political position(s)
- political party identification (if any)
I.e. a white straight male Baptist teenager with a high school degree who lives in Alabama is not going to have the same concerns, or same political outlook, as a married gay 55 year old college-educated religiously unaffiliated woman who lives in San Francisco.
Similarly, an 18 year old uneducated migrant farm worker from Mexico, who works in Florida fields, does not share much with a 40 year old Chinese Christian who migrates to the US and opens a burrito joint in New York City.
So 50% = 100%. Good to know.
The upper classes are doing just fine. The loss of the middle classes has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or birth rates, and everything to do with economic inequality.
Seems to me that they already do. They just aren't flocking to the Republican Party yet. Is that what this is about?
Meanwhile, the extreme right -- who are currently yanking the Republican party further to the right -- are intent on vilifying immigrants, fighting gay rights, ignoring the legacies of racial discrimination, and disenfranchising blacks.
As long as these ethnic groups have different concerns, and are treated differently by society, they will benefit from pooling their political influence and pushing for policies that benefit them. And that's pretty much how politics is supposed to work in a democratic system.
What does that mean, exactly? What does "white majority American culture" mean? Are you terrified that Nick at Night will go dark? That fewer people will dance the polka? That hamburger consumption will drop?
Nope. Looks pretty good to me.
And yet, millions of people, of all ethnic groups and from around the world, visit DC and gaze admiringly at the Washington Monument.
Meanwhile, all those white people you're worried about? It seems to me like they can't be bothered to learn much about Washington in the first place.
And yet again, nativism rears its ugly head.
The latest round of immigrants are no different than they were in the past. They aren't coming to the US any faster. Americans in 1850 were absolutely convinced that the Irish and Italians and Jews and Germans and Catholics were wholly "other," and a threat to the US. (Even as late as 1960, WASPs were terrified that Jack Kennedy would take marching orders from the Pope.) They were openly discriminated against for decades. Our culture is no less in a decline than it was in the late 19th century.
:roll:Somehow I doubt your description of the Alabamian was by accident.
And the male is basically high school drop out while the bitch from San Francisco is college educated.:roll:
I was trying to draw a contrast between a variety of group identities. I chose Alabama because it's southern, primarily rural, and has higher rates of religious participation.
Fun fact! 63% of Alabama high school grads go directly to college. That puts it slightly above the US average, and above states like Texas, Delaware and Washington.
I'm not making statements about what is or is not typical.And the male is basically high school drop out while the bitch from San Francisco is college educated.
I'm not making statements about what is or is not typical.
Nor do I think it's appropriate to refer to a purely hypothetical person as a "bitch" based on some hypothetical characteristics.
But thanks for simultaneously completely ignoring my post, and proving part of my point. Cheers.
'Racial and ethnic minorities now surpass non-Hispanic whites as the largest group of American children under 5 years old, the Census Bureau said Thursday.
The reversal in 2014 marked a milestone in a trend toward a more diverse U.S. that's projected to continue. Births outnumbered deaths for all ethnic and racial groups last year except for non-Hispanic whites, the new Census data show. A report earlier this year projected that by 2044, today's majority white population will be the minority.'
The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities - Bloomberg Business
Excellent.
I am as WASP as it gets and I think it will be great for America to truly be a melting pot.
Well one thing is for sure, when you are focusing on race numbers like a score card you sure as hell aren't a proponent of the melting pot ideal.
To expand on a certain point:
Whites are not a monolithic block.
So 50% = 100%.
The upper classes are doing just fine. The loss of the middle classes has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or birth rates, and everything to do with economic inequality.
Seems to me that they already do
As long as these ethnic groups have different concerns, and are treated differently by society, they will benefit from pooling their political influence and pushing for policies that benefit them. And that's pretty much how politics is supposed to work in a democratic system.
What does that mean, exactly? What does "white majority American culture" mean?
And yet, millions of people, of all ethnic groups and from around the world, visit DC and gaze admiringly at the Washington Monument.
Meanwhile, all those white people you're worried about? It seems to me like they can't be bothered to learn much about Washington in the first place.
The latest round of immigrants are no different than they were in the past
And no, they aren't going to merge into a big brown lump
So what you're saying is: There is no such thing as "white culture." Good to know.
American has ALWAYS divided itself up into tribes
And yet, that unwieldy mess is EXACTLY how the US has conducted itself for well over a century.
America is not about whitewashing every culture, and forcing everyone to surrender every aspect of their identity except for foods that white people like to eat. America is about freedom, including the freedom to maintain your culture and values, or invent a whole new set if you like.
And again, the idea that there is some monolithic white bloc is an illusion. It doesn't exist, it never existed. Even the Colonists were not unified, e.g. a significant portion of the colonists didn't want to separate from England.
That, to me, is not what freedom is about, and is not why people come to America. They come here because they want economic opportunity, and they want a say in how politics affects their lives.