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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    To expand on a certain point:

    Whites are not a monolithic block.
    Most of the factors you list here are completely irrelevant to what we are actually discussing - Mainly, voting habits and cultural influence.

    Blacks have been voting more or less as a "monolithic block" for decades now. Latinos are heavily leaning that way.

    So 50% = 100%.
    Did I ever say that it was 100%? No, I did not.

    It is, in any case, more than low enough for the American white population to literally start "dying off" in the same fashion as Western Europeans and the Japanese.

    The upper classes are doing just fine. The loss of the middle classes has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or birth rates, and everything to do with economic inequality.
    Sooo... If we're not going to breed new members of the Middle Classes, and - as the Left is so fond of reminding us, the heady days of picking one's self "up by their boot straps" are dead and gone due to the nature of our present economy, with one of the most reliable ways to attain a certain economic status simply happening to be born into it - how, pray tell, are you suggesting that it grow?

    Let me guess. Magically utopian multicultural pixie dust?

    How are you proposing we maintain a society where those who take outnumber those who actually produce?

    Seems to me that they already do
    The growth of the Latino Middle Class has stalled just like every other group, with the possible exception of the East Asians (largely due to their being smart enough not to have children out of wedlock, and consistently seek higher education).

    Again, Latinos very well might make a smooth transition to the Middle Classes in numbers sufficient to rival whites, but I'm not exactly banking on it. It's equally likely that they'll simply stall, like African Americans have.

    I'm pretty sure the Left would actually prefer things that way, in point of fact. They're less likely to "wander off the plantation" that way. Frankly, either way, there are still going to be problems.

    As long as these ethnic groups have different concerns, and are treated differently by society, they will benefit from pooling their political influence and pushing for policies that benefit them. And that's pretty much how politics is supposed to work in a democratic system.
    i.e. Identity politics. In this case, white middle class vs everyone else, primarily because that's the major way the DNC gets votes.

    What does that mean, exactly? What does "white majority American culture" mean?
    What the Hell do you think it means? It means the English language, the Founding Fathers, almost literally every bit of mass produced media for the last century, and etca, etca.

    If these projections we're seeing now turn out to be accurate, it's quite likely that whatever "United States" remains afterwards won't even speak the same language that it does now.

    And yet, millions of people, of all ethnic groups and from around the world, visit DC and gaze admiringly at the Washington Monument.

    Meanwhile, all those white people you're worried about? It seems to me like they can't be bothered to learn much about Washington in the first place.
    Hasn't stopped the park service from pulling the Confederate flag down from Ft. Sumter, or any other number of sites.

    You know... In spite of it's presence being historically accurate.

    For that matter, do you actually think I view the white population's rampant apathy regarding its history, heritage, and very existence as being a good thing? To the contrary, it's one of the major reasons why we've fallen into decline. No one gives a damn about anything that actually matters any more.

    The latest round of immigrants are no different than they were in the past
    As I've already pointed out, this OBJECTIVELY isn't true.

    Previous waves of immigrants were smaller than the present wave of Latinos, spoke different languages, belonged to cultures distinctly different from one another, and came into a vibrant and growing native born US culture which was capable of compelling them to assimilate.

    What people may or may not have happened to believe is a Red Herring in our present context. The simple fact of the matter is that Latinos are projected to make up anywhere from a third to a full half of the US population within the next century. NO other immigrant group in the United States' history ever came even close to that.

    I'm sorry, but that's not "immigration." It's freaking colonization. If you don't think that's going to have a positively seismic impact on mainstream culture or social order in the US, you're dreaming.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    And no, they aren't going to merge into a big brown lump
    Because you say so? They're already pretty much doing it now!

    Latino immigrants are notorious for their tendency to basically "enclavize" after arrival.

    So what you're saying is: There is no such thing as "white culture." Good to know.
    No, as I've already pointed out, "white" American culture is basically a pan-European mix of influences, all melded together into a mostly homogeneous entity unique to the United States. Other "melting pot" nations have somewhat similar situations.

    Taking Germans, Italians, French, Irish, Poles, Scandinavians, and etca, and mixing them to the point that they're basically one English speaking blob, where it can't be determined where one ethnicity ends and the other begins, is probably the single greatest social accomplishment the United States has ever made.

    American has ALWAYS divided itself up into tribes
    And it has ONLY prospered where those "tribes" have been broken down, assimilated into the existing culture, and ultimately melted together.

    The "multi-cultural" areas of the United States tend to be it's most notable failures, in case you haven't noticed. Just look at the South, for example.

    Hell! If you want the ultimate example of such failure in action, simply look at Canada. French and English speaking Canadians have basically managed to keep their respective cultures intact in full. The end result? They despise one another, and the Quebecois have been posturing to secede from the rest of Canada for decades.

    What you're talking about here simply cannot work.

    And yet, that unwieldy mess is EXACTLY how the US has conducted itself for well over a century.
    Again, no, it's really not. The backbone and engine of American success - the Middle Classes - was built on the melding of cultures into one homogeneous whole.

    America is not about whitewashing every culture, and forcing everyone to surrender every aspect of their identity except for foods that white people like to eat. America is about freedom, including the freedom to maintain your culture and values, or invent a whole new set if you like.

    And again, the idea that there is some monolithic white bloc is an illusion. It doesn't exist, it never existed. Even the Colonists were not unified, e.g. a significant portion of the colonists didn't want to separate from England.
    You're splitting hairs, and missing the forest for the trees in the process.

    No one claimed that White Americans were like the damn Borg. Obviously, distinct divisions exist.

    Again, however, there is absolutely no doubt, nor has there been doubt, that all of these groups ultimately belong to same the fundamental culture, and tend to have fundamentally similar goals in mind. We all speak English, and we all identify as being "American," having left our old cultures behind. Hell! Even on a political basis, we really aren't all that different. The Democratic and Republican parties have always shared more similarities than they have differences.

    That's beginning to change now, due in no small part to the decline of that culture, and because of the alien cultural influences which are presently taking hold. Whatever we wind up with afterwards after it's all said and done, it most likely won't the "America" anyone knows now. The country will effectively be "under new management."

    Whether that'll ultimately be better or worse in the long run, I can't say. However, in any eventuality, it's most likely not going to be "spring time" for former ethnic majority group.

    That, to me, is not what freedom is about, and is not why people come to America. They come here because they want economic opportunity, and they want a say in how politics affects their lives.
    And so do those of us actually living here!

    Simply because we were kind enough to invite you in, doesn't mean you have the right to straight up take the place over, and start trying to remake it in your own image. Immigrants are ultimately guests, and should behave as such.

    To be fair, a lot of this is our own damn fault. We've failed to keep our numbers up at a level where we're actually competitive, and we've lost any sort of greater ideological purpose. Frankly, even this "multi-cultural" nonsense is ultimately a poison of our own making, dreamed up self-loathing whites in academia as a means of breaking down the existing culture.

    Again, however, I don't see any reason why that should keep me from point out the factually obvious. The direction things are headed now is dangerous, both for the majority culture and the United States as a whole.

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