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    Were doomed.
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    Just cant trust 'em.
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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    College educated white women ≠ all white women.
    You realize college educated white females account for well over 50% of the total group, right?

    Frankly, even if they didn't, that wouldn't be a source for comfort. It would simply highlight an ongoing trend here even more troubling than that already under discussion.

    The economically productive Upper and Middle Classes who actually pay the taxes and spend the money necessary to keep things running in this country are failing to replace their numbers, while the lower classes who are only a net economic drain under our current social model are breeding like rabbits. I'm sorry, but that's simply unsustainable. You're not going to build the future on the backs of welfare dependent "white trash" or the products of ghettos.

    Whites are not "dying off"
    Ahem...

    Washington Post - White deaths outnumber births for first time

    There is plenty of room for common ground
    Literally EVERY racial and cultural development currently taking place this country would seem to imply otherwise.

    Make no mistake, however. This isn't to say that things might not lean more towards unity. I really hope they do, in point of fact.

    My best case scenario here, actually, would involve large numbers of Latinos smoothly and relatively quickly making the transition to the Middle Classes, and making common ground with Middle Class Whites on the grounds of economic interests, rather than ethnicity. Hell! You might even see the rise of a Catholic Latino Evangelical movement capable of revitalizing the American political Right under such circumstances.

    Given the present state of our economy, and how heavily the Left is pushing racial politics, however? I wouldn't exactly bet on it. It's just as likely that they'll stay poor and government dependent, and make common cause with African Americans in the Left's ridiculous little "tear down the White male" ideological crusade instead.

    wasn't it the conservatives bashing liberals for indulging in identity politics for so many years?
    Yes, and? I'd much rather that it was't an issue. However, now that the Left's "opened Pandora's box," so to speak, with idiotic and counter-productive sentiments like the following...

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    Citizens have every right to adhere to their old cultures; to generate new cultural relationships; to refuse to culturally assimilate, if they so choose.

    I don't see any point in sticking my head in the sand and denying the obvious. The Left has every intention of playing "identity politics" for everything it's worth. In doing so, they will be satisfied with nothing less than the near complete dismantling of everything the present White majority (i.e. American) culture stands for.

    You think all this "Confederate Flag" hullabaloo is bad? Just wait till two or three decades from now, when some "social justice" minded imbecile decides that a "patriarchal white male slave owning war monger" shouldn't be on the one dollar bill... Or have a monument in our nation's capital, for that matter.

    The way things are now, I have absolutely no doubt that day is coming.

    I see little support for this
    A) You're joking, right?



    B) You forget that there are people with attitudes like the following active in high positions in government and academia.

    “Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” -- Mary Frances Berry, former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

    You'll have to forgive my skepticism.

    European groups were seen...as an existential threat to America
    If there had been enough of them, similar enough to one another to form a monolithic block, they might have very well been such a threat. They didn't however, so they weren't.

    This latest group of immigrants are different. They're coming faster, in greater numbers, share far more cultural similarities with one another than they do differences, have the benefit of idiotic "multicultural" ideology actively encouraging them not to assimilate, and the mainstream culture is in active decline at the moment anyway.

    Again, I'm sorry, but absolutely none of that bodes well for the future.
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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I don't see much difference between Irish and Hispanic patterns of immigration
    The WASP population was never in active decline. The WASP population never actively encouraged immigrants not to assimilate. The Irish were never projected to make up 30% to 40% of the population all by themselves a few decades after their arrival.

    Nor are Hispanics a monolithic block. Mexicans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Colombians, they are all distinct groups. Even within those nationalities are different ethnic groups, different political views, and so on.
    You don't think a horde of newly arrived Spanish speaking Catholic Latin Americans all mixing together in the same lower income areas aren't going to more closely identify with one another than a bunch of English speaking "gringos?"

    Please.

    So your idea of an "awesome" triumph of American culture is... Chipotle?
    Yup. I'm an Irish, Scotch-Irish, English, Italian, German, Norwegian, French, and Cheerokee mutt, with no real connection to any of those nations' cultures, or languages. I'm simply an average "White" American schmo, who occasionally likes to eat spaghetti, oogle busty blondes in lederhosen and pig tails carrying jugs of beer, and get drunk on St. Patrick's day.

    I'm sorry, but that is America. It is the "American dream." This country's not supposed to be a divided nation made up of a bunch of little ethnic and racial tribes.

    There is, simply speaking, no way in Hell such an unwieldy mess could ever realistically function. All such a state of affairs could ever hope to promote was conflict and competition. To the contrary, the United States is supposed to be one culture, and one people, all bearing true faith and allegiance to the Constitution and Republic above all.

    What people like you basically go out of your way to tell us is that you are actively trying to destroy that, chasing after some impossibly naive vision of "multicultural" utopia.

    You wonder why we assume the worst?

    Sooo... To be clear, you're saying that I'm not allowed to voice concern over the kind of world my descendants are going to be born into, or the kind of treatment my ethnic group may receive in the future... Just because I'm white?

    Hmmm.
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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some racists will always pre-judge others by the color of their skin.



    "The only race on this planet is the human race."
    This whole thread is about skin color, and you come out with a bull**** statement like that.
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    To expand on a certain point:

    Whites are not a monolithic block. Neither are blacks, Hispanics, Asians and so on. E.g., all these groups have some different interests based on:
    - religion / denomination
    - income
    - social class
    - education
    - ancestry
    - age
    - family size
    - gender
    - sexual preference
    - geographic region
    - urban / suburban / rural
    - political position(s)
    - political party identification (if any)

    I.e. a white straight male Baptist teenager with a high school degree who lives in Alabama is not going to have the same concerns, or same political outlook, as a married gay 55 year old college-educated religiously unaffiliated woman who lives in San Francisco.

    Similarly, an 18 year old uneducated migrant farm worker from Mexico, who works in Florida fields, does not share much with a 40 year old Chinese Christian who migrates to the US and opens a burrito joint in New York City.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You realize college educated white females account for well over 50% of the total group, right?
    So 50% = 100%. Good to know.


    The economically productive Upper and Middle Classes who actually pay the taxes and spend the money necessary to keep things running in this country are failing to replace their numbers....
    The upper classes are doing just fine. The loss of the middle classes has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or birth rates, and everything to do with economic inequality.


    My best case scenario here, actually, would involve large numbers of Latinos smoothly and relatively quickly making the transition to the Middle Classes, and making common ground with Middle Class Whites on the grounds of economic interests, rather than ethnicity.
    Seems to me that they already do. They just aren't flocking to the Republican Party yet. Is that what this is about?

    Meanwhile, the extreme right -- who are currently yanking the Republican party further to the right -- are intent on vilifying immigrants, fighting gay rights, ignoring the legacies of racial discrimination, and disenfranchising blacks.

    As long as these ethnic groups have different concerns, and are treated differently by society, they will benefit from pooling their political influence and pushing for policies that benefit them. And that's pretty much how politics is supposed to work in a democratic system.


    In doing so, they will be satisfied with nothing less than the near complete dismantling of everything the present White majority (i.e. American) culture stands for.
    What does that mean, exactly? What does "white majority American culture" mean? Are you terrified that Nick at Night will go dark? That fewer people will dance the polka? That hamburger consumption will drop?


    You think all this "Confederate Flag" hullabaloo is bad?
    Nope. Looks pretty good to me.


    Just wait till two or three decades from now, when some "social justice" minded imbecile decides that a "patriarchal white male slave owning war monger" shouldn't be on the one dollar bill... Or have a monument in our nation's capital, for that matter.
    And yet, millions of people, of all ethnic groups and from around the world, visit DC and gaze admiringly at the Washington Monument.

    Meanwhile, all those white people you're worried about? It seems to me like they can't be bothered to learn much about Washington in the first place.


    This latest group of immigrants are different. They're coming faster, in greater numbers, share far more cultural similarities with one another than they do differences, have the benefit of idiotic "multicultural" ideology actively encouraging them not to assimilate, and the mainstream culture is in active decline at the moment anyway.
    And yet again, nativism rears its ugly head.

    The latest round of immigrants are no different than they were in the past. They aren't coming to the US any faster. Americans in 1850 were absolutely convinced that the Irish and Italians and Jews and Germans and Catholics were wholly "other," and a threat to the US. (Even as late as 1960, WASPs were terrified that Jack Kennedy would take marching orders from the Pope.) They were openly discriminated against for decades. Our culture is no less in a decline than it was in the late 19th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    You don't think a horde of newly arrived Spanish speaking Catholic Latin Americans all mixing together in the same lower income areas aren't going to more closely identify with one another than a bunch of English speaking "gringos?"
    You forgot "soccer loving."

    And no, they aren't going to merge into a big brown lump -- unless they are forced to do so, because of a variety of political, legal and cultural discriminations against them. And no, those discriminatory effects don't go away by pretending they don't exist.


    Yup. I'm an Irish, Scotch-Irish, English, Italian, German, Norwegian, French, and Cheerokee mutt, with no real connection to any of those nations' cultures, or languages. I'm simply an average "White" American schmo, who occasionally likes to eat spaghetti, oogle busty blondes in lederhosen and pig tails carrying jugs of beer, and get drunk on St. Patrick's day.
    So what you're saying is: There is no such thing as "white culture." Good to know.


    I'm sorry, but that is America. It is the "American dream." This country's not supposed to be a divided nation made up of a bunch of little ethnic and racial tribes.
    American has ALWAYS divided itself up into tribes.

    Again, witness something as basic as the prejudice against Catholics, Irish, Italians, Jews and so forth -- groups that no one circa 1900 viewed as meekly assimilating into white society. Or, think of the various "white" tribes in recent years -- beats, hippies, yippies, Black Panthers, hard-hats, greasers, rockers, metalheads, punks, goths, skate punks, surfers, evangelicals, Reaganites, Promise Keepers, Tea Partiers, neocons, Southerners, Northerners, southern whites, southern blacks, Texans, Chicagoans... The list goes on -- and is NOT limited to leftists.

    I can't go into detail here, but this is a well-understood aspect of human psychology. David Berreby does a pretty good job of explaining it in his book:
    Amazon.com: Us and Them: The Science of Identity (9780226044651): David Berreby: Books


    There is, simply speaking, no way in Hell such an unwieldy mess could ever realistically function. All such a state of affairs could ever hope to promote was conflict and competition.
    And yet, that unwieldy mess is EXACTLY how the US has conducted itself for well over a century.


    To the contrary, the United States is supposed to be one culture, and one people, all bearing true faith and allegiance to the Constitution and Republic above all.
    In the words of Anonin Scalia: Applesauce.

    America is not about whitewashing every culture, and forcing everyone to surrender every aspect of their identity except for foods that white people like to eat. America is about freedom, including the freedom to maintain your culture and values, or invent a whole new set if you like.

    And again, the idea that there is some monolithic white bloc is an illusion. It doesn't exist, it never existed. Even the Colonists were not unified, e.g. a significant portion of the colonists didn't want to separate from England.


    What people like you basically go out of your way to tell us is that you are actively trying to destroy that, chasing after some impossibly naive vision of "multicultural" utopia. You wonder why we assume the worst?
    Yes, actually, I do wonder that sometimes. White people aren't a unified bloc, and never were. Simply having higher white birthrates isn't going to change anything. The animus you presume is a self-fulfilling prophesy by the right-wing. The more the right rants about how awful it is to have all these brown people running around, the less likely those groups are to think you're willing to work with the right-wing, even when there's common ground.

    Moreover, the right says it supports freedom -- but only as long as you act and believe the same thing that right-wingers believe. You can be free, but only if you assimilate. Forget your heritage, drop your language, reject your religion (unless you're Christian already!), don't play soccer, ignore your parent's values, and never EVER mention that pesky discrimination because it just doesn't happen! (Even though it obviously still does.) But keep making those burritos!

    That, to me, is not what freedom is about, and is not why people come to America. They come here because they want economic opportunity, and they want a say in how politics affects their lives.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This whole thread is about skin color, and you come out with a bull**** statement like that.


    It seemed like a good place to drop that message.



    My guess is that those who were born members of minorities will grow up to be voting members of minorities and part of the massive demographic change that's going to hit the GOP like a tidal wave in about 30 years.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    To expand on a certain point:

    Whites are not a monolithic block. Neither are blacks, Hispanics, Asians and so on. E.g., all these groups have some different interests based on:
    - religion / denomination
    - income
    - social class
    - education
    - ancestry
    - age
    - family size
    - gender
    - sexual preference
    - geographic region
    - urban / suburban / rural
    - political position(s)
    - political party identification (if any)

    I.e. a white straight male Baptist teenager with a high school degree who lives in Alabama is not going to have the same concerns, or same political outlook, as a married gay 55 year old college-educated religiously unaffiliated woman who lives in San Francisco.


    Similarly, an 18 year old uneducated migrant farm worker from Mexico, who works in Florida fields, does not share much with a 40 year old Chinese Christian who migrates to the US and opens a burrito joint in New York City.



    So 50% = 100%. Good to know.



    The upper classes are doing just fine. The loss of the middle classes has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or birth rates, and everything to do with economic inequality.



    Seems to me that they already do. They just aren't flocking to the Republican Party yet. Is that what this is about?

    Meanwhile, the extreme right -- who are currently yanking the Republican party further to the right -- are intent on vilifying immigrants, fighting gay rights, ignoring the legacies of racial discrimination, and disenfranchising blacks.

    As long as these ethnic groups have different concerns, and are treated differently by society, they will benefit from pooling their political influence and pushing for policies that benefit them. And that's pretty much how politics is supposed to work in a democratic system.



    What does that mean, exactly? What does "white majority American culture" mean? Are you terrified that Nick at Night will go dark? That fewer people will dance the polka? That hamburger consumption will drop?



    Nope. Looks pretty good to me.



    And yet, millions of people, of all ethnic groups and from around the world, visit DC and gaze admiringly at the Washington Monument.

    Meanwhile, all those white people you're worried about? It seems to me like they can't be bothered to learn much about Washington in the first place.



    And yet again, nativism rears its ugly head.

    The latest round of immigrants are no different than they were in the past. They aren't coming to the US any faster. Americans in 1850 were absolutely convinced that the Irish and Italians and Jews and Germans and Catholics were wholly "other," and a threat to the US. (Even as late as 1960, WASPs were terrified that Jack Kennedy would take marching orders from the Pope.) They were openly discriminated against for decades. Our culture is no less in a decline than it was in the late 19th century.
    Somehow I doubt your description of the Alabamian was by accident.
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