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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I agree with that.....

    but it seems as though people are celebrating racial uniformity... as if it's a virtue or something...weird stuff.
    I guess the color of your skin really does matter to people.
    <shrugs>


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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    The article is flawed because it automatically lumps in all hispanics as "non white minorities". It doesn't take into account the hispanics who are racially white. Those like Ted Cruz, Rubio, and myself for that matter.

    That said, the conservative reaction to this is amusing. While they are constantly hollering and screaming about how supposedly racist liberals/Democrats are, they sure seem kind of pissed off at the possible notion of whites becoming a minority in America. I mean if they are as color blind as they claim, why do some of them seem upset? The comment section on breitbart is particularly amusing, and of course extremely racist.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Do go on....



    Minor point:

    The fertility rate for whites was 1.9 in 1990, and is now around... 1.8. RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

    African-American fertility rates declined from 2.5 to 2.0. Non-white Hispanics, from 3.0 to 2.4. Asians, 2.0 down to 1.7.

    Meawhile, whites and non-white Hispanics have an infant mortality rate around 5.3 per 1,000. For blacks, it's 12.2.

    It's not a huge drop, certainly not in the past ~20 years. It's that Hispanics still have more children than whites and with the same infant mortality rates, and of course almost all immigrants are now non-white.





    I think we'll be OK when whites have a little less control over culture.

    You sure you're not worried about whites having less political power...?



    Or South Africa.

    Let's reflect on this for a moment. Circa 1900, "whites" actually mean "descended from the English and maybe French settlers," and all those impoverished immigrant Jews, Italians, Germans, Irish, Poles and others were the scum of the American earth. Today, all Europeans are mainstream and classified as "white," dominate white culture, and have substantial political power. Even in the 1950s and 1960s, there was a fair amount of discrimination, prejudice and stereotyping of Irish, Italians, Jews et al.

    Has this ethnic shift made the US worse since 1900? What does "white culture" mean anyway?
    I've heard a lot of talk from right wingers about this mythical "white culture" that apparently every white person on the entire planet seem to adhere to, but not one single right winger can actually explain what "white culture" supposedly is. I guess it's something only the brilliant minds at FOX can explain.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Hispanics in america and south of the border are having less children and in some places are already about the same as whites. I doubt with that trend in mind that they will be able to really get much of any majority status unless immigration stays high. Anyway, having less children than is needed to maintain your population is stupid and shortsighted.
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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The fertility rate for whites was 1.9 in 1990, and is now around... 1.8.
    Among college educated white women, the rate is presently 1.6 (for reference, China - with the One Child Policy - is sitting at 1.5, and Japan - which is in full on population free fall - is at 1.4). The overall rate for the whole country is around 1.9.

    The Wall Street Journal - America's Baby Bust

    Either way, the overall result of this is the same. Whites are dying off, and minorities are taking their place at a somewhat alarming rate.



    You sure you're not worried about whites having less political power...?
    Is there any reason I shouldn't be? I mean... Let's not quibble around reality here. Pragmatically speaking, power matters. If we have less, that simply means someone else has more.

    In case you haven't noticed, quite a few of the (currently) minority groups in this country, and their political agenda setters, would like absolutely nothing better than to use any potential reversal of such power to make whites "pay" in some way or another for the various slights and hardships for which they perceive us as being responsible. That's not going to magically change simply because there are more of them and fewer of us. In all likelihood, such a state of affairs will serve to exacerbate tensions. Transition usually does.

    This isn't a "melting pot." Increasingly, it is becoming a country of racial "tribes," constantly in conflict with one another. It exists as such primarily because the political powers that be benefit from encouraging such conflict.

    Or South Africa
    Case in point of the above. South African whites are basically being all but driven out of the country. Some black extremist groups are even calling for outright ethnic cleansing.

    The same thing happened to Lebanese Christians when the Muslims took over.

    Will anything that extreme happen in the US? I doubt it. However, I have no doubt that the Al Sharptons and other assorted populist hate mongers of the American political system will leap at the opportunity to "get even" in some way or another.

    Circa 1900, "whites" actually mean "descended from the English and maybe French settlers," and all those impoverished immigrant Jews, Italians, Germans, Irish, Poles and others were the scum of the American earth. Today, all Europeans are mainstream and classified as "white,"
    In grand total, Irish and Italians only make up 15%-20% of the "white" US population. They make up somewhere around 10% of the total population including all races. Other ethnicities (barring the Germans, who have a somewhat unique situation) tend to be a lot smaller. They also all arrived at different times, and there was enough of a language and culture barrier between the different groups that they were never able to form any kind of monolithic cultural block that was capable of threatening the majority culture. They really had no choice but to assimilate as such.

    As the chart I posted above shows, that's really not the case where this latest wave of immigration is concerned. Latinos are set to make up 30% to 40% of the total population all by themselves by 2050. They're all arriving at roughly the same time as well, and have cultures and languages that are all largely homogeneous with one another.

    I'm sorry, but, given those facts, the odds are that they're all going to wind up identifying a Hell of a lot more with one another than with the existing culture. The introduction of such a new monolithic cultural and political block into the existing political and social order will almost certainly cause significant complications.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    I've heard a lot of talk from right wingers about this mythical "white culture" that apparently every white person on the entire planet seem to adhere to, but not one single right winger can actually explain what "white culture" supposedly is.
    No, it's actually largely unique to the United States. What it represents is basically the melding of all different European ethnicities and nationalities into a single, highly inter-bred, English speaking culture made of up of pan-European influences.

    Make no mistake. The primary baseline of that culture is undeniably English Protestant, as they were the original majority influence. However, it has borrowed elements from all of the peoples of various different cultures it has assimilated - primarily food and holidays.

    If we could somehow pull off a similar trick with non-Europeans, that would be awesome, IMO. However, that doesn't seem to be what's happening. We're getting combatant "racial tribes" instead.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 06-27-15 at 03:21 AM.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    We founded it, we developed it, and we've run it and made up the majority of the population for the last 200 years. For all intents and purposes, it's "our" country, built in our own image.
    Good on you, man. Over the course of the last few weeks I painted some pictures, went to a bar, watched tv, got drunk, caught a couple movies and wasted some time on the internet. You, meanwhile, were creating America.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That's not to say that we cannot, or should not, "share" it with those we are able to do so, or that it should not change in some regards to adapt to new arrivals (just as they should change to adapt to it). However, there's a fine line between "sharing," and simply handing the whole thing over on a silver platter.

    If we're not careful, we're going to wind up doing the latter. It has, as I've already pointed out, happened before.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Good on you, man. Over the course of the last few weeks I painted some pictures, went to a bar, watched tv, got drunk, caught a couple movies and wasted some time on the internet. You, meanwhile, were creating America.
    Are you going to deny that the original settlers, soldiers, and politicians responsible for bringing together, and subsequently building, what we now refer to as "America," were primarily white?

    I'm in that group, so that technically qualifies me under the auspices of "we." Frankly, even beyond that, some branches of my family have been here since the early 1700s and late 1600s, so I can claim "we" in the sense of my ancestry as well.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Are you going to deny that the original settlers, soldiers, and politicians responsible for bringing together, and subsequently building, what we now refer to as "America," were primarily white?

    I'm in that group, so that technically qualifies me under the auspices of "we." Frankly, even beyond that, some branches of my family have been here since the early 1700s and late 1600s, so I can claim "we" in the sense of my ancestry as well.
    By all means, take pride in your ancestry. I certainly do. I can, as I'm sure you can with your own ethnicity, point to many accomplishments in my Jewish ancestry. However, it's equally important to not let yourself get carried away by that pride either, and try to remember instead that whatever your predecessors accomplished, you yourself did not do those things, and its definitely not a free ticket for you to reign supreme over a land and people.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hispanics in america and south of the border are having less children and in some places are already about the same as whites. I doubt with that trend in mind that they will be able to really get much of any majority status unless immigration stays high. Anyway, having less children than is needed to maintain your population is stupid and shortsighted.
    True. If immigration slows down or stops, this could ultimately wind up being a non-issue.

    Such a state of will only create different problems, however- namely in that we will be in exactly the same "population decline" situation currently being faced by Western Europe and Japan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    By all means, take pride in your ancestry. I certainly do. I can, as I'm sure you can with your own ethnicity, point to many accomplishments in my Jewish ancestry. However, it's equally important to not let yourself get carried away by that pride either, and try to remember instead that whatever your predecessors accomplished, you yourself did not do those things, and its definitely not a free ticket for you to reign supreme over a land and people.
    Also true. However, as I said, I've got no problem with "sharing."

    What I have a problem with is the fact that we, as a people, seem to be more or less simply "giving up" and letting another group take over for us. At best, that's going to cause some problems. At worst, they might very well be rather severe.

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    Re: The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Racial and ethnic minorities now surpass non-Hispanic whites as the largest group of American children under 5 years old, the Census Bureau said Thursday.

    The reversal in 2014 marked a milestone in a trend toward a more diverse U.S. that's projected to continue. Births outnumbered deaths for all ethnic and racial groups last year except for non-Hispanic whites, the new Census data show. A report earlier this year projected that by 2044, today's majority white population will be the minority.'


    The Majority of American Babies Are Now Minorities - Bloomberg Business



    Excellent.

    I am as WASP as it gets and I think it will be great for America to truly be a melting pot.
    Is the article referring to all minorities as a single group?

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