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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I said people lacking care causes them to wait until things are an emergency, when the problems are much more expensive to fix.

    You responded by saying that was a lie because they were able to get emergency care.

    Do you see the problem in your reasoning?
    No...only in your understanding. It is a myth that the hard core non-insured avoid going to the emergency room or a clinic until they are in an emergency situation or nearly at deaths door. They go as much or more then those who are insured, knowing that they will be billed based on ability to pay. Have you never heard of free clinics? And there were many uninsured who could afford insurance who simply opted to pay at the point of service.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Sorry, sparky, reconciliation can't be used to increase the deficit. The CBO just certified last week (under the GOP's hand-picked successor to Elmendorf) that repealing the ACA would increase the deficit.

    Please name for me the last ACCURATE CBO projection? All projections are based upon the assumptions given them by the Congress and the President and based upon what do they come up with an increase in the deficit? In addition how can anyone who supports Obama be concerned about the deficit when he has added over 7.6 trillion to the debt in less than 7 years

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Sorry, sparky, reconciliation can't be used to increase the deficit. The CBO just certified last week (under the GOP's hand-picked successor to Elmendorf) that repealing the ACA would increase the deficit.

    Wrong reconciliation can be used to make adjustments from the budget and the same CBO says that it cannot score obamacare or the effectiveness of any saving due to the changes
    that have been made. so the budget in general is in fair game under reconciliation that includes obamcare.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted as is your arrogance. You have no idea what you are talking about and obviously need another entitlement program to help with the jealousy you have of others who have more than you. I find people like you who are unable to compete demanding more and more taxpayer funded services to provide equal outcome, not just equal opportunity. Who pays for those subsidies you are getting from ACA?
    3G's most used fallback is to claim that his opponent has little knowledge of what his/her insurance covered before ACA. He wants to believe that nobody shopped around prior to Obamacare. That is his only defense to people pointing out how much cheaper their policies were compared to obamacare policies

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted as is your arrogance. You have no idea what you are talking about and obviously need another entitlement program to help with the jealousy you have of others who have more than you. I find people like you who are unable to compete demanding more and more taxpayer funded services to provide equal outcome, not just equal opportunity. Who pays for those subsidies you are getting from ACA?
    LOL.

    I present facts. You rail on about something else when you can't dispute them.

    It's only 'arrogant' when I'm exaggerating what I know. I've already shown you I'm not. You had a lifetime cap on your insurance before, now you don't. (This is where you say 'Thanks, Obama!).

    Then you pretend to know what my health insurance situation is. I'm pleased to let you know I'm quite secure in a strong plan provided by my employer, with a healthcare savings account that is growing daily. But I'm not pretending it's not an 'ACA' plan.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    3G's most used fallback is to claim that his opponent has little knowledge of what his/her insurance covered before ACA. He wants to believe that nobody shopped around prior to Obamacare. That is his only defense to people pointing out how much cheaper their policies were compared to obamacare policies
    And your fallback is to claim everything in healthcare was flowers and puppies until the ACA came along, and now it's going to be horrible... NEXT year!
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    since when is a federal department a State? the HHS is a department of government it is not a state nor does it have the power to act as a state nor the authority
    to represent a state. the SCOTUS was wrong which is the whole point.



    the context was clear. only state based exchanges were to get subsidies. HHS is not a state.



    as I have recently found out respect is earned not given and when the SCOTUS put politics above their job and above their oath of office then no they don't deserve respect.



    it will be there once Obama is gone and we have a republican presidency.
    the budget reconciliation process will be used to remove obamacare from the law.
    Well!

    I'm not sure what to say -

    You're essentially saying you know the law better than the Court, the Court is wrong, you have no respect for the Court, and you have no respect for the Court's decision.

    Good for you this isn't a criminal or civil case involving yourself before a judge, because your attitude might be found to be a bit troubling for your result.

    But fair enough.

    Your opinion is one amongst 330M of your fellow Americans, it's just as valid as any, and you have every right to express it.

    Perhaps the politics will workout in the future to give you the result you so desire.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The ACA would've been repealed at least 60x if the left didn't defend it. So I think they kinda know they "own" it.


    But I adore how those silly republicans who try to take credit for the ACA in their own states and districts in order to get elected, don't you? .....



    "....But in the same op-ed, [Scott] Walker did something odd: He bragged about how he used the Obamacare subsidies now on trial to offer more health coverage to low-income Wisconsin residents.

    “Wisconsin is the only state that didn’t accept the Medicaid expansion funds and that has no gap in coverage, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation,” Walker wrote. ”For the first time in state history, everyone living in poverty has access to coverage.”

    How did Walker achieve this expanded coverage where other governors who turned down the Medicaid expansion failed? Short answer: Obamacare. Slightly longer answer: Obamacare subsidies and Wisconsin’s unusually generous existing health law...."

    Scott Walker won't fix Obamacare, but he will take credit for it | MSNBC

    Hey, that GOP Obamacare alternative sure looks a lot like Obamacare « Hot Air


    The SCOTUS literally saved their asses because if they had ruled the other way, it would've been the demise of the Republican party.
    I never heard of any republican politician bragging as to how wonderful that piece of crap is. 0bama said that everybody would be covered by ACA but not everybody wanted it so now it only covers a portion of the U.S. population, isn't that wonderful? Of course it is! Tremendous success! Wait till the premiums eventually sky rocket, they are going up in a few months.
    Catch me if you can.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Kind of like the trade pact the GOPs just voted for--think they read it?



    Are there any GOP ideas in ACA?
    And why hasn't the GOP "REPLACE" hit the House floor ?
    They have plans alright, get rid of that piece of garbage lol.

    Seriously...they had turned in a good plan but Reid threw it in the trash.

    Where have you been? in Uranus??
    Catch me if you can.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Well!

    I'm not sure what to say -

    You're essentially saying you know the law better than the Court, the Court is wrong, you have no respect for the Court, and you have no respect for the Court's decision.
    please tell me when the HHS became a state. you are avoiding the question and bringing up irrelevant information.
    In this case I do know the law better than the SCOTUS. the HHS is not a state nor does it have any federal power to represent a state.

    Respect is earned not given.
    when the decision is in contradiction to the law and the constitution you bet I don't respect it nor should you as a matter of principle.

    Good for you this isn't a criminal or civil case involving yourself before a judge, because your attitude might be found to be a bit troubling for your result.
    irrelevant to the discussion.

    But fair enough.

    Your opinion is one amongst 330M of your fellow Americans, it's just as valid as any, and you have every right to express it.

    Perhaps the politics will workout in the future to give you the result you so desire.

    your avoidance of the argument is very telling.

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