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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Plus, government is not in the business of subsidizing auto insurance premiums with money it takes from others, so the comparison is invalid in the first place.
    That wasn't the point, the point was that supposedly he does not depend on risk pools (other people funding your coverage when it outstrips your capital), he supposedly fully funds his own health care.
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    I am a medical provider. Try having the pressure of someones life in your hands.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So not only do you participate in risk pools, which is not "fully funding" your own risk, you participate in MANDATED risk pools to boot.

    And earlier I asked if you purchase into a medical risk pool (aka insurance where the costs are distributed), you claimed you "paid for your own HC", implying you do not participate in medical risk pools....but then I find that in fact you do have health insurance:




    So, the point is, you don't actually fully fund your own care, you participate in a risk pool to avoid full costs.
    Of course I participate in risk pools for that is what insurance is. Forgot who I was dealing with here, what a waste of time. Healthcare is available through most states now either Medicaid which many don't even know they are qualified for or many other state and local programs showing once again as a liberal you want to spoon food others, be the nanny for them when all you are really doing is giving federal bureaucrats more control and more money.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course I participate in risk pools for that is what insurance is.
    So then you admit that you do not "fully fund" your health care, since insurance is a means to mitigate the full costs.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So then you admit that you do not "fully fund" your health care, since insurance is a means to mitigate the full costs.
    When I stated that I paid for my own healthcare I obviously meant my own insurance. I pay the premiums and don't expect you to send me your tax dollars to supplement me.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Healthcare is available through most states now either Medicaid which many don't even know they are qualified for or many other state and local programs showing once again as a liberal you want to spoon food others, be the nanny for them when all you are really doing is giving federal bureaucrats more control and more money.
    Hold on there, a moment ago you were chiding folks for not fully funding their own care, now you are making complaints about their not utilizing those services.

    sounds like double talk to me.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Why else would the Dem's have to start a race war? Motivate their African-American voting block. Failing that, and they are done for.
    Which is why they are pushing the confederate flag issue. They want racial tension during the 2016 campaign season. The attempt to play the so they race card over voter ID bills in the 2014 election did not work out so they are trying a different tactic. They feel that racial tensions are the only possible way they will keep the same level of African Americans voters going to the polls as did in 2008 and 2012. Look for them to try to keep the flag flap going all the way into November 2016.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When I stated that I paid for my own healthcare I obviously meant my own insurance. I pay the premiums and don't expect you to send me your tax dollars to supplement me.
    No, you just expect others to fully fund your medical costs when those costs exceed your premium.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Why do some Americans seem to care little about the many ways inadequate healthcare affects the entire society?

    The United States health care system is the most expensive in the world, but this report and prior editions consistently show the U.S. underperforms relative to other countries on most dimensions of performance. Among the 11 nations studied in this report—Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and the United States—the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions of Mirror, Mirror. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the U.S. is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency, and equity.
    Paul Ryan, the guy who is supposed to be developing the GOP's alternative to Obamacare, failed yet once again to answer the question, "What is the alternative?" when asked on today's Face the Nation broadcast. He talked about "alternative plans" but for some reason no one in the GOP has really offered up anything other than the motto, "Repeal and Replace".

    Last week on Fox News, Ryan was also unable to answer Chris Wallace's questions in regards to a Republican alternative.

    For those who really, really hate the "socialistic" Obamacare system - what's your alternative? I will make a wild guess that some of the more Libertarian types think there should be zero government involvement in healthcare, "If you can't pay for it, DIE! Not my problem", because obviously the corporate types who run America's health insurance companies would never, ever do anything that would actually cause people to die, now would they?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, you just expect others to fully fund your medical costs when those costs exceed your premium.
    Hence the outrage over having a deductible.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Last week on Fox News, Ryan was also unable to answer Chris Wallace's questions in regards to a Republican alternative.

    For those who really, really hate the "socialistic" Obamacare system - what's your alternative?
    Ryan's problem is that he unveiled his own health reform plan in the spring of 2009, just before the Dems unveiled their plans. At the time, Ryan was calling for what turned out to be the same thing as the Dems: tax credits and exchanges. He backed off pretty quick when the right turned against the Dem plans.

    He never quite recovered his footing after that.

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