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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That just isn't true. I won't even bother to explain, except to say that you just don't actually have a clue what the barriers to care are faced by the uninsured. The "care" they got for heart disease, for example, is generally they get treated after they have a heart attack, if the heart attack doesn't kill them. They might be treated for cancer after it's spread to their bones and is hopeless and then they get pain killers. The rest of us might have the cancer caught by a colonoscopy that no poor person gets because they can't afford that. Etc.
    I suspect that I understand much more then you do. I will give you a personal example. Prior to Obamacare, I had two aunts who were diagnosed with breast cancer fairly close to the same time. One was well off and had good insurance. The other had no insurance. They were both treated at the same cancer clinic which was one of the best in the region. They both received excellent follow up care and had similar outcomes. They often ended up going for chemotherapy treatments at the same time. The only difference was how they were billed. The well off aunt presented her health insurance and paid her copayments. The other was billed based on ability to pay. Patients without insurance are not told...."Okay we have stabablized you...now get lost." They are told to come back for follow up treatments or see their own doctor if they have one.

    The whole "the poor got treated" is just an elaborate attempt to fool yourself that there is no harm to anyone with a system that leaves 40 million uninsured. It's not true, so if you want to support such a system, the least you can do is recognize that it causes the premature death of many thousands each year, but that the alternatives are worse.
    Not only do the poor get treated, the 40 million hardcore uninsured chant is and always has been a leftwing myth. To get to that number they had to add all categories together and present it without breakdowns.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicshead View Post
    You complain about premiums and deductibles, but no doubt are against single payer UHC which would remove these.
    The elephant in the room is that a single payer system would also remove a large portion of healthcare....by way of rationing all but the most routine treatments. Yes I am against a single payer system. As bad as obamacare is....single payer would be even worse.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    JasperL;1064765358]Why not? Some won't, obviously, but many that have insurance don't go either. At one point in my life I probably went a decade without seeing a doctor for anything other than an acute illness. Is there any evidence that the "poor" in, say, Canada or Germany or any other country with universal coverage don't go see their primary care doctor, or that they don't get preventive care?
    What you have done and supported is a Federally run and Administered healthcare program by a govt that has created an 18.2 trillion dollar debt. That could have been easily done if in great demand at the state level. What the Democrats did was see an opportunity to buy votes. They couldn't care less about healthcare like always, just the slush fund to spend.



    If you can't afford healthcare, it's hard to be personally responsible with healthcare because the exam is expensive and if there is an issue, they can't afford the treatment. That's why they wait till it's acute and go to the ER, etc.
    If you cannot fund your own healthcare program why should others do it for you? As has been stated here costs aren't going down because deductibles are going up. This is another indoctrination effort on the part of the left and a lot of good people have been fooled. Next step totally socialized medicine and with it comes the loss of your freedoms and personal choice.

    And, yes, premature death does happen because we abuse our health. About 1/3 of the residents in my state are obese. I know lots of them with insurance. Lots more smoke, drink to excess and haven't exercised in decades and lots of them have insurance. So what is your point? One way or another, you're paying for them through YOUR premiums.
    I may be paying for them but not at the cost currently being promoted. As stated this is a state program not a federal one but the left has you convinced they can do it better. When did that ever happen? When did the Federal govt. run anything efficiently and at what cost? When deductibles go up does that increase your costs of healthcare above the premium prices?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Yes......African Americans again came out enmasse to vote for Obama. I get it. However the democrats did not regain the house of reps and lost seats in the Senate. It would have been worse, howerver none of the real harmful mandates had yet hit. Obama had delayed them until after the election.
    Why else would the Dem's have to start a race war? Motivate their African-American voting block. Failing that, and they are done for.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If you cannot fund your own healthcare program why should others do it for you?
    So just to be clear, you do not, have not, will not, purchase insurance, med or auto.....since insurance is the creation of risk pools where you do not actually fund in total your own costs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    I am a medical provider. Try having the pressure of someones life in your hands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So just to be clear, you do not, have not, will not, purchase insurance, med or auto.....since insurance is the creation of risk pools where you do not actually fund in total your own costs.
    I pay for my own healthcare, if I cannot pay for it I work with either charities, local services including many free clinics and don't need another federal bureaucracy to "help" me. Welcome back seagull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I pay for my own healthcare, if I cannot pay for it I work with either charities, local services including many free clinics and don't need another federal bureaucracy to "help" me. Welcome back seagull.
    I see, so that is "No, I have never nor will I ever buy HI".

    So again, just to be clear, you also have never nor will you ever purchase auto insurance?
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    I am a medical provider. Try having the pressure of someones life in your hands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see, so that is "No, I have never nor will I ever buy HI".

    So again, just to be clear, you also have never nor will you ever purchase auto insurance?
    I choose to drive and buy auto insurance as protection against other drivers like you. Millions of Americans choose not to drive and thus don't have auto insurance. Millions of other Americans can afford their own health insurance costs and choose not to buy health insurance. You have no problem having the govt. mandate the purchase vs. being held responsible for not having insurance and losing their assets because of poor decision making. Big govt. liberals like you are very nave.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I choose to drive and buy auto insurance as protection against other drivers like you. Millions of Americans choose not to drive and thus don't have auto insurance. Millions of other Americans can afford their own health insurance costs and choose not to buy health insurance. You have no problem having the govt. mandate the purchase vs. being held responsible for not having insurance and losing their assets because of poor decision making. Big govt. liberals like you are very nave.
    Plus, government is not in the business of subsidizing auto insurance premiums with money it takes from others, so the comparison is invalid in the first place.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I choose to drive and buy auto insurance as protection against other drivers like you.
    So not only do you participate in risk pools, which is not "fully funding" your own risk, you participate in MANDATED risk pools to boot.

    And earlier I asked if you purchase into a medical risk pool (aka insurance where the costs are distributed), you claimed you "paid for your own HC", implying you do not participate in medical risk pools....but then I find that in fact you do have health insurance:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You sir and I have a different opinion as to what works. To you getting paid and having everyone insured is working. Mine is being denied my doctor and my insurance company because of ACA and mine is the cost associated with what I have to spend and who I am spending more on.

    You don't seem to comprehend personal responsibility at all and thus have no problem taking money from me to pay you for your services.

    What part of me being forced to contribute to Medicare for decades and then expecting something in return do you not understand? I paid for my insurance coverage that I am getting today again something you don't understand.

    So, the point is, you don't actually fully fund your own care, you participate in a risk pool to avoid full costs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    I am a medical provider. Try having the pressure of someones life in your hands.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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