Thread: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

Originally Posted by JasperL

Lots of people disagree, and how does one determine this? If you look to the courts, then taxes are constitutional, but if you look to the courts so were both decisions made last week. Either the Constitutionality of something is determined by the SC or it's not. If it's not, then I don't see why we don't get to pick and choose what we decide is or is not. Like a laundry list. "I don't like it, or disagree with the SC on that issue, so, it must be unconsitutional and I don't have to follow it!!" That's what you suggested, and I'm just playing by the same rules.

Unlike you, I do not look to the courts to determine constitutionality. I look to the actual US Constitution. The courts do not always get it right. It's not unheard of for US Supreme Court decisions to be overturned by future US Supreme Courts. And just look at how the democrats have a stroke if a republican president nominates a justice to the court who does not worship at the alter of Abortion. The Supreme Court decisions on Obamacare simply give Obamacare legal bearing for now. The left is merely hoping that Obamacare will hang on until it gets enough people hooked on the subsidies to eventually scare off major challenges either by way of repeal or by the courts. In the long run, it's undoing will be it's failure to actual address the cost of providing healthcare. I don't see the premiums and deductables coming down at any point as long as the mandates exist. As long as the health insurance providers have a captive customer base, they have no incentive to lower the rates. They no longer have to compete for customers. At some point, the continued increases in rates and deductibles will boil over and obamacare will become public enemy number one......even with the political left.

Originally Posted by ObamacareFail

In the long run, it's undoing will be it's failure to actual address the cost of providing healthcare.

On the contrary, its most exciting features and greatest long-term potential lie in what it's already doing to address the cost of providing health care.

Originally Posted by ObamacareFail

I repeat. The left's suggestion that anyone at all was denied healthcare is an "outright bald face lie". There was no question that everyone who needed treatment received treatment and also had options outside of the ER. And the "less cost" chant is also misleading. The one and only reason for less overall spending on healthcare is that millions of the insured now stuck with massively expensive premiums and massively high deductibles can no longer afford to take advantage of their health insurance. One of obamacare's biggest proponents Ezekial Emannuel was a guest on CSPAN this morning. And after getting beseiged with callers (even one democrat) complaining to him about the high premiums and average deductibles of $6000.00, he so much as admitted that obamacare at this time operates like a very expensive catastrophic health insurance policy and that needed to be fixed. He attempted to put lipstick on it, but few were buying it. Obamacare is an unmitigated failure and a serious albatross around the necks of the democrat party. The sooner you work that out, the better for your credibility.

I said people lacking care causes them to wait until things are an emergency, when the problems are much more expensive to fix.

You responded by saying that was a lie because they were able to get emergency care.

Do you see the problem in your reasoning?

Originally Posted by disneydude

LOL.....I hate to tell you Con.....it isn't votes from the Democrat Electorate that Citizen's United is buying....should tell you something about where the "ignorance" lies....then again....I'm speaking to a man who worships some Democrat named Gruber...so that ought to tell you something there as well. You are easily led.

You mean this Gruber?

Editor says he owes GOP sources

The seagull is back!!

Originally Posted by JasperL

OK, so the great idea from the right wing is to go back to the incredibly flawed system that cost double the rest of the world and left 10s of million UNinsured, and 10s of millions more with inadequate insurance that would fail as soon as they actually needed actual insurance, and cost double the rest of the world..... That's why I don't vote for the GOP anymore.

You are conveniantly leaving out that tens of millions since obamacare has been enacted can no longer afford to use the insurance they do have, due to massively high premiums and massively high deductibles. Otherwise, you are making it up as you go along. The democrats and Obama did not seriously attempt to work with republicans on coming up with common sense healthcare reform that both sides could live with. Ezekial on CSPAN this morning attempted to dodge that point by pointing out that they did talk to Republican Susan Collins. However attempting to pick off a republican moderate or two for the sake of political cover is not working with republicans. They basically shut the republicans out of the debate...in effect telling them: "Our way or the highway". That's why no republicans voted for it. Therefore, your suggestion that the republicans did not favor reform is false. The republicans had suggestions...the democrats just did not want to hear them. They decided to go it alone. That was an enormous political risk and it has backfired on them. It's the biggest single reason that the republicans now control the house and the senate....as well as most legislatures. That's why I am so amused that the left still defends obamacare as if it is the best thing to come along since sliced cheese.

Originally Posted by minnie616

Healthcare costs for the uninsured were paid for by the insured.
The people with health insurance were already paying for those without.


Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care - USATODAY.com

Study: Insured pay 'hidden tax' for uninsured health care - USATODAY.com

Amazing, still buying the rhetoric. You really have been indoctrinated into believing the Democrat lies. This isn't about healthcare this is about buying votes. Healthcare remains a personal responsibility and rests with the states to make any changes. You however want to entrust a Federal bureaucracy that has created an 18.2 trillion dollar debt.

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

GOP appointees tend to become seduced by the power of government--Liberals were already seduced when they were appointed

The Supreme Court Justices live in kind of a country club atmospere in Washington DC. Too many of them are seduced into political correctness.