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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The young and healthy have been getting sticker shock since obamacare passed. They had never expected insurance premiums to cost more then monthy car payments and mortgage payments. Yes I know about risk pools, however prior to obamacare, the risk was spread based on common sense. If you had bad habits such as smoking or heavy drinking, obesity, etc, you and others in your category shared the brunt of the risk. That's why health insurance companies offered lower rates for those with less bad habits.
    Smokers still pay more under the ACA, as much as 50% more than non-smokers. It is apparent that you have no interest in learning about the ACA and why it is such a large bill. I believe you will be rethinking this behavior as you finally come to the realization that it is here to stay. It takes longer for some I know. There was alot of thinking that went in to it and it will take more thinking to improve it where necessary.

    Although insurers can’t charge more for health status, they can charge up to 50% more for smoking status. On the flip side of this ObamaCare includes smoking cessation therapy (including medication) as a free preventive service on all non-grandfathered plans sold since September 23, 2010.

    Those of us looking to save money on our health insurance premiums will want to reexamine the true cost of being a smoker. Below we take a look at some facts and an example of how the Affordable Care Act affects smokers.
    http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-smokers/

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The US Supreme Court Rulings have not set obamacare in stone. They merely prevented it's death by lawsuits. If the republicans maintain control of congress and elect a republican president, they can repeal obamacare. The court's decision does not prevent that. And the vast majority of Americans do not want a single payer system.
    Actually, polls in America show that about the same percentages who favour/oppose the ACA favour/oppose a single payer system. It's not a big stretch to expect that when the ACA crumbles under it's own messy weight that single payer will pick up the pieces.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    I mean, I am aware that Fox did a few segments where they interviewed people with horror stories about the ACA, but did you not hear that those turned out to be fake? Look at the statistics, don't just go off things you hear on Fox. Fox is just pretend.
    Check the 2010 and 2014 midterm election statatics, sport. Obamnacare is a 1200 lb gorilla on your party's back and you are celebrating that a US Supreme Court ruling is extending that misery for you.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Check the 2010 and 2014 midterm election statatics, sport. Obamnacare is a 1200 lb gorilla on your party's back and you are celebrating that a US Supreme Court ruling is extending that misery for you.
    Check the 2012 election.
    President Obama was re-elected.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Not to be overly blunt, but the problem is conservatives just don't think hard enough. You settle for the easy, catchy-sounding answer without really looking into things. That's why you guys always get everything wrong.

    In fact, more people having access to healthcare does cost less. That happens because it is far, far, far cheaper to treat things up front before they become catastrophic. We were not just letting those people with health problems die before. What we were doing is denying them care until they were on death's door, then dumping insane amounts of money trying to fix problems, many of which could have been fixed for 1% of less of the cost if they'd been to a doctor 2 years earlier.
    Denial of care prior to obamacare is an outright bald faced lie. It just did not happen. Everyone who entered the Emergency room was treated regardless of insurance or ability to pay. It was and is the law. The only people who did not see a doctor for two years were people too stupid to go to the ER or a clinic.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Would it be easier if the GDP was $40t instead of $17.5t? Would it be harder if the GDP was $5t? Are you seriously taking the position that it would not?



    I don't get why you keep repeating "in a private sector economy." Why do you think that detail is relevant? The GDP determines how big of a deal debt is in every kind of economy...
    You must think the money all tax money grows on a special tree on the white house lawn.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Smokers still pay more under the ACA, as much as 50% more than non-smokers. It is apparent that you have no interest in learning about the ACA and why it is such a large bill. I believe you will be rethinking this behavior as you finally come to the realization that it is here to stay. It takes longer for some I know. There was alot of thinking that went in to it and it will take more thinking to improve it where necessary.



    ObamaCare and Smokers
    Perhaps when your party no longer has any power in Washington at all, you will learn how massively unpopular obamacare is. And it is not here to stay. Even if not repealed by a republican president and congress, it will eventually collapse under it's own weight. It's days are numbered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, polls in America show that about the same percentages who favour/oppose the ACA favour/oppose a single payer system. It's not a big stretch to expect that when the ACA crumbles under it's own messy weight that single payer will pick up the pieces.
    It's only about the same to those Americans silly enough to take a CNN opinion poll seriously. And Americans want single payer even less then they want Obamacare. The democrats barely passed obamacare...had to go the reconciliation method to get it done....and it has killed them politically in congress since. Getting single payer passed will be virtually impossible in todays political climate. And there was a single payer clause in the original version of the ACA. It was defeated. When the ACA falls or is repealed. .....a common sense reform plan based on market forces and competition will pick up the pieces...not single payer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Check the 2012 election.
    President Obama was re-elected.
    Yes......African Americans again came out enmasse to vote for Obama. I get it. However the democrats did not regain the house of reps and lost seats in the Senate. It would have been worse, howerver none of the real harmful mandates had yet hit. Obama had delayed them until after the election.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It's only about the same to those Americans silly enough to take a CNN opinion poll seriously. And Americans want single payer even less then they want Obamacare. The democrats barely passed obamacare...had to go the reconciliation method to get it done....and it has killed them politically in congress since. Getting single payer passed will be virtually impossible in todays political climate. And there was a single payer clause in the original version of the ACA. It was defeated. When the ACA falls or is repealed. .....a common sense reform plan based on market forces and competition will pick up the pieces...not single payer.
    We shall see, although the speed at which Washington moves, I may not be around to say I told you so.
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