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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in the liberal world can you add millions and millions to the roles of the insured many of whom have health issues, drug problems, and other issues and lower costs. That is liberal logic and is why we have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt
    Not to be overly blunt, but the problem is conservatives just don't think hard enough. You settle for the easy, catchy-sounding answer without really looking into things. That's why you guys always get everything wrong.

    In fact, more people having access to healthcare does cost less. That happens because it is far, far, far cheaper to treat things up front before they become catastrophic. We were not just letting those people with health problems die before. What we were doing is denying them care until they were on death's door, then dumping insane amounts of money trying to fix problems, many of which could have been fixed for 1% of less of the cost if they'd been to a doctor 2 years earlier.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only in the liberal world can you add millions and millions to the roles of the insured many of whom have health issues, drug problems, and other issues and lower costs. That is liberal logic and is why we have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt
    Rather it is 'conservative' beliefs with little basis in reality.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    This is where the "more informed" part comes in handy. The economy has consistently grow dramatically faster under Democrats, and in fact, most the worst offenders on the debt have been Republicans.

    Which Party Is Better for the Economy?
    Change in Debt as a Percentage of GDP by the Party Controlling the Federal Government
    Looks like nothing is going to change your mind and you will always buy what you are told and will always been a closet socialist. Admit who you are!!!

    When I see people like you I see people who are civics and economic challenged. Apparently you don't understand that we have a Congress and a President, Presidents make requests and Congress makes the laws. Posting bs like you just did serves no purpose other than to show that Gruber was right in describing the Democrat voter. Which party is better for the economy is determined by leadership and who is in charge of Congress. You will always ignore the GOP Congress in 2004-2006 and the Democrat Congress in 2007-2011. You will ignore the Reagan leadership working with Congress and the Obama arrogance. You will ignore the GOP Congress from 1995-2000 and the Contract with America which Clinton signed 60% of.

    Debt as a percentage of GDP means exactly what? You really don't understand the private sector economy at all nor the reality of debt service. In your world 1.7 trillion in debt on a 5.6 trillion dollar economy is much worse than a 7.6 trillion dollar debt on a 17. trillion dollar economy because the percentage change is lower. How much debt service do the taxpayers pay on those two numbers??

    Keep proving what most of us know, liberals have no understanding of economic numbers or civics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Rather it is 'conservative' beliefs with little basis in reality.

    That is your opinion but then again results don't matter to you because the results don't support your opinion.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Looks like nothing is going to change your mind and you will always buy what you are told and will always been a closet socialist. Admit who you are!!!

    When I see people like you I see people who are civics and economic challenged. Apparently you don't understand that we have a Congress and a President, Presidents make requests and Congress makes the laws. Posting bs like you just did serves no purpose other than to show that Gruber was right in describing the Democrat voter. Which party is better for the economy is determined by leadership and who is in charge of Congress. You will always ignore the GOP Congress in 2004-2006 and the Democrat Congress in 2007-2011. You will ignore the Reagan leadership working with Congress and the Obama arrogance. You will ignore the GOP Congress from 1995-2000 and the Contract with America which Clinton signed 60% of.
    Here is GDP growth incorporating control of Congress, all the way back to 1930:


    gdp by party

    Any other excuses you want to try out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Debt as a percentage of GDP means exactly what? You really don't understand the private sector economy at all nor the reality of debt service. In your world 1.7 trillion in debt on a 5.6 trillion dollar economy is much worse than a 7.6 trillion dollar debt on a 17. trillion dollar economy because the percentage change is lower. How much debt service do the taxpayers pay on those two numbers??
    Yes, of course debt that is a smaller percentage of GDP is less bad. Duh. That's what determines how hard it would be to pay off, how much that debt service stings, etc. That you never learned that, and apparently never gave it enough thought to realize even something that obvious, belies all your ranting about how you think other people don't know about economics...

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Here is GDP growth incorporating control of Congress, all the way back to 1930:


    gdp by party

    Any other excuses you want to try out?



    Yes, of course debt that is a smaller percentage of GDP is less bad. Duh. That's what determines how hard it would be to pay off, how much that debt service stings, etc. That you never learned that, and apparently never gave it enough thought to realize even something that obvious, belies all your ranting about how you think other people don't know about economics...
    No what is hard is paying off an 18.2 trillion dollar debt on a 17.5 trillion dollar economy. Obama has added almost as much debt as Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush combined but that reality escapes ideologues who buy the leftwing rhetoric. Debt as a smaller percentage of GDP in a private sector economy is irrelevant for what matters is the debt service which today is the fourth largest budget item.

    Please don't go there as it shows complete ignorance and before you start again the fiscal year 2009 budget was signed by Obama in March 2009 thus when you sign a budget you accept responsibility for that budget.

    You want to try and for the first time with any liberal be honest for a change? You voted for an incompetent and to prop him up you provide meaningless numbers.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    It is time for the rubber to meet the road and for liberals to actually truly come out of the closet and actually admit that they are socialists and against the founding principles that this country was built on. I make no excuses for being a conservative and here are the values that I find to be driving principles. How about it, liberals, tell us which of these are extreme and radical which is a common term from liberals? I await your answer

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No what is hard is paying off an 18.2 trillion dollar debt on a 17.5 trillion dollar economy.
    Would it be easier if the GDP was $40t instead of $17.5t? Would it be harder if the GDP was $5t? Are you seriously taking the position that it would not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Debt as a smaller percentage of GDP in a private sector economy is irrelevant for what matters is the debt service which today is the fourth largest budget item.
    I don't get why you keep repeating "in a private sector economy." Why do you think that detail is relevant? The GDP determines how big of a deal debt is in every kind of economy...

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    tuhaybey;1064763157]Would it be easier if the GDP was $40t instead of $17.5t? Would it be harder if the GDP was $5t? Are you seriously taking the position that it would not?
    You don't understand the economy at all. The govt. spends money and creates debt. The private sector creates wealth and taxes are paid on that wealth.

    I don't get why you keep repeating "in a private sector economy." Why do you think that detail is relevant? The GDP determines how big of a deal debt is in every kind of economy...
    Because you don't understand it and hopefully one of these days you will study it and understand how it works. GDP is made up of four components, figure them out and get back to me. Obama took over and economy that was 14.7 trillion dollars and it is now 17.5 trillion or 2.8 trillion in almost 7 years. Of that GDP Govt. there is the 842 billion dollar stimulus that was to create taxpayers but all it did was create debt. Bush took over an economy that was 10.2 trillion and left it at 14.7 trillion, 4.5 trillion in 8 years.

    Truth or fiction-Obama took over with 142 million working Americans, two years after the stimulus there were 139 million working Americans.

    Truth of fiction-Obama took over an economy that was under Democrat control and leadership and he was part of that Congress before taking office?

    Truth or fiction-Bush had 16 million unemployed/discouraged during his term?

    Truth or fiction-the 2009 budget was signed by President Bush?

    Truth or fiction-the TARP program was 700 billion and Bush spent 350 billion of it which was paid back with interest but not credited against the deficit?

    Let's see how honest and knowledgeable you are

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    Yeah, go figure. Maybe you reactionaries are so far out on the Right that yer policy preferences just can't be enacted. That's life in a democracy, I guess.
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