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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Who knows about fair, but their damn job is to govern. If they don't like the law, their job now is to change it, not bitch about it.

    And democrats can't clean up their mess because the GOP controls Congress.
    Yes we know, Democrats caused a mess, and it's the Republicans fault if they don't clean it up.

    Lot's of other things to address. Why not let people live with what the Democrats did to them. Seems reasonable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'd love for you to provide one credible source … that projected that "many deaths of many people" would result if the ruling was the opposite.
    Common sense tells you that people without health insurance sometimes die prematurely. They also drive up healthcare costs and therefore insurance premiums. And isn't one unnecessary death too many? How do you feel about thousands? Like 20-50 thousand a year?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they are expecting a 20-40% increase again this year on obamacare plans how is that getting cheaper?
    Askin' ain't gettin'. And you offer no evidence. Again? Let's see it from last year. Or the year before. Or …
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Utter nonsense. This ruling doesn't affect those who were fortunate enough to now qualify under the ACA for Medicaid coverage which is by far the vast majority of newly ensured. I'd love for you to provide one credible source (just a hint, that's not Media Matters) that projected that "many deaths of many people" would result if the ruling was the opposite.
    I have no source credible or other. I would like to see your source that says people who already have Obamacare need not worry about the ruling. By the way, Media Matters deals with stuff which is in their name: media So if the issue is never covered in the MSM, it will not be covered by Media Matters.


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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    the intent was not to give every person subsidies. the intent was to force states to setup exchanges and the incentive was to give them subsidies in return.
    that is why they wrote the law the way they did.
    That clearly was NOT the intent of any drafters of the legislation, nor did anyone believe that was the intent, nor does a reading of the law support your bizarre claim here. None of the states delegated their exchanges to the federal government, with the assumption it would deny subsidies to that state's residents. Nothing in the implementation of the federal exchanges indicates that people who use federal exchanges did not qualify for subsidies.

    The only reason why this case exists is because a libertarian think-tank, backed by the Koch brothers and other conservatives, pored over the statute with the goal of finding something - anything - to challenge in the courts, no matter how tiny or frivolous.
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    of course the SCOTUS is just covering their rear end because the got the first decision on obamacare wrong as well. Roberts is trying to protect himself and instead of
    standing up for the constitution they continue to hand more and more power over to the government.
    lol

    Sorry, no, not even close.

    This case did not in any way rule on whether the ACA or the subsidies were constitutional; that issue was settled years ago.

    This case was very specifically about what mechanisms the court uses to determine the meaning of a statute. What they found was that the single use of the phrase "exchanges established by the State" was nowhere near as clear and decisive as the opponents claimed. Roberts has no obligation whatsoever to rule in favor of the federal government this time, because this case is substantially different than the past cases.

    But hey, don't let details like the nature of constitutional law, or the judicial philosophies of the justices, or the nature of the case itself stop you from a good rant....

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    we will have to wait till 2016 when he is voted out


    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I have had nothing but major premium increases as my company has to comply with obamacare and they shove more of the cost onto me.
    Anecdotal, unproven, irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies

    Story just now breaking. More info to come soon. Millions of Americans get to keep their healthcare. A huge win for the Obama admin.
    I believe there was no real choice - in practical terms it was too much of a mess (for everyone involved) if the subsidies were lost.

    And these guys are pros at using logical argument to get wherever they'd like to go; reference Justice Roberts declaring ObamaCare a tax to keep it alive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The lesson here is lying and deception to gain support for a law once passed is A-OK. All the politicians have to do is say, "Well, we did it for your own good" and all is forgiven.
    How many did they say would still never be covered once BO's specially package was finally approved? Guess they know their future now, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    democrats had a chance to clean up their mess and they failed. they had a chance to stop it before the mess began to begin with.
    they can't change the law Obama refuses and veto's any change made to it.

    we will have to wait till 2016 when he is voted out to get this destructive law out of the way.
    Yeah, good luck with GOPers getting off their rear ends and actually coming up with a plan they can get through their own caucus, much less the Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    then please tell me what they can pass to fix this mess (there is no fixing this the way the bill is by the way) that Obama won't veto or democrats won't filibuster?
    enlighten us.
    That is their job to figure out. It's what they were elected to do. Ask them.

    Problem is they're good at saying, "Hell no we can't!!" but a little short on actually coming up with alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Any evidence to back that up? Has the rate of increase slowed over the past few years?

    I gotta laugh at the response from reactionaries in this thread. They're all over the lot. "It's great news! Now the Democrats will be forced to continue defending the Act." "What a disaster for the country!" Just what I'd expect from people who can't think things through clearly.

    The legislation will continue to gain in popularity, and for good reason. A win for Democrats and democracy.
    Wrong.

    There's been stories all over the net for months and months about high premiums and deductibles. Just Google 'Obamacare high deductibles high premiums' .
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