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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree it will continue to be a hot potato, but rather than have the ACA rescinded and going back, it will be replaced or parts amended so that you move closer, not further away, to a single payer system. Your Supreme Court, in its two political rulings that ignored the constitution, has set in stone that you will not go back. And if a Republican wins the White House in 2016, which I hope happens, Republicans will own the problem.
    The US Supreme Court Rulings have not set obamacare in stone. They merely prevented it's death by lawsuits. If the republicans maintain control of congress and elect a republican president, they can repeal obamacare. The court's decision does not prevent that. And the vast majority of Americans do not want a single payer system.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Actually, no, it has been confirmed by dozens of sources at this point.



    In what regard? 15 million more people have access to healthcare. That doesn't even register with you as a big success? Costs have been rising more slowly, people with pre-existing conditions are no longer screwed, the deficit has been reduced... None of the Republican predictions have come true- not one.



    We don't need to guess what happens. Virtually the entire developed world other than the US has single payer. The result is higher quality care, far better access to health care and far lower costs. That isn't something we need to speculate about at this point, it is just a measurable fact.
    Only in the liberal world can you add millions and millions to the roles of the insured many of whom have health issues, drug problems, and other issues and lower costs. That is liberal logic and is why we have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicshead View Post
    God, I can't wait until Hillary becomes President next year. Republican tears...mmm, they'll taste so good.
    Will she be dodging sniper fire in Bosnia again?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Kasich has made the moral case for embracing the ACA's Medicaid expansion. That's got to be a tough sell in a GOP primary.

    In the primaries four years ago Rick Perry got himself into trouble by supporting compassion for immigrant children and charging that opponents of DREAM-esqe legislation are heartless ("If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they have been brought there by no fault of their own, I donít think you have a heart."). That didn't go over well with the base, as I recall.

    Kasich has arguably gone further, implying opponents of Obama's Medicaid expansion are going to hell: "Now, when you die and get to the meeting with St. Peter, heís probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor. You better have a good answer." How are the poor-bashing, ACA-despising ogres in the base going to like it when he holds a mirror up to them?
    Greetings, Greenbeard.

    He has already taken heat from the party bigwigs for daring to accept Federal money to help Medicaid recipients, but the people in Ohio agreed with him since it's not their fault! He has brought jobs here, and being a "rust-belt" State, that was very welcome and appreciated. He would have had to raise our taxes otherwise, but since the money was available from the federal government to help the poor pay for insurance, why not take it? We don't cut off our nose to spite our face around here for political reasons, and the "ACA-despising ogres" can take a flying leap! The ACA is the law of the land, and if it's here to stay, so be it! If it's not, time will tell, but the poor are being helped in the meantime!

    I do know that he is so well thought of on how well he has governed our State that he carried 86 out of 88 counties in the midterms. He is trusted by both parties, because he is honest with us. If he tells us he hopes to accomplish something, we know it will be beneficial for all of us, and we all back him. I knew I approved of the job he has done, but even I was blown away by the results of the mid-term votes when I saw proof of how many other Ohioans felt the same way!

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    You are correct. The employer mandate does not kick in for midsized employers until 2016.
    That's a roundabout way of saying it's already been in effect for 100+ million employees and will be in effect for the remaining 7-8 million within a few months. What a looming catastrophe!

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Yet the only candidate the GOP can put up with a ghost of a chance against her is unlikely to make it through the hustings, even if he manages to lose his last name in the process..
    As if you have the foggiest clue who does or does not have a chance against Hillary.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The GOP remains hellbent on electoral suicide, and the Democrat voter base is "stupid"? (why the " " ?)
    Considering the fact that the GOP now controls the house, the senate, and the majority of the state legislatures, largely due to obamacare, I am quite amused that you think it's the republican party that is hellbent on electoral suicide.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Actually, no, it has been confirmed by dozens of sources at this point.
    False.



    In what regard? 15 million more people have access to healthcare. That doesn't even register with you as a big success? Costs have been rising more slowly, people with pre-existing conditions are no longer screwed, the deficit has been reduced... None of the Republican predictions have come true- not one.
    Not when you consider that tens of millions more people now have health insurance that they cannot afford to use. And the 15 million more insured number is bogus anyway.


    We don't need to guess what happens. Virtually the entire developed world other than the US has single payer. The result is higher quality care, far better access to health care and far lower costs. That isn't something we need to speculate about at this point, it is just a measurable fact.
    Lower costs, yes, however the rest is 100% false.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I am sure that is what you think but as we have seen liberals have zero credibility for results don't matter and are trumped by feel good rhetoric. I am a reformed liberal as I got tired of spending in the name of compassion and never getting compassionate results. You see, you think with your heart, judge everyone else by your own standards, and ignore the reality that there is evil in the world and even in the liberal ranks, evil looking to line their own pockets by keeping people dependent. without dependence there wouldn't be a need for liberalism.

    If you truly believe in what you post please tell us all how having a 18.2 trillion dollar debt, over 100 million Americans on some form of taxpayer assistance(excluding SS and Medicare), having a 3.9 trillion dollar govt. is compassionate? You see, liberal arrogance means spending more on compassionate programs whereas the other compassionate liberals didn't spend the money right in the first place.
    This is where the "more informed" part comes in handy. The economy has consistently grow dramatically faster under Democrats, and in fact, most the worst offenders on the debt have been Republicans.

    Which Party Is Better for the Economy?
    Change in Debt as a Percentage of GDP by the Party Controlling the Federal Government

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    False.

    Not when you consider that tens of millions more people now have health insurance that they cannot afford to use. And the 15 million more insured number is bogus anyway.
    I mean, I am aware that Fox did a few segments where they interviewed people with horror stories about the ACA, but did you not hear that those turned out to be fake? Look at the statistics, don't just go off things you hear on Fox. Fox is just pretend.

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