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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Same way every country on the planet does it. Same way every employer plan works. If you work for a large company, the youngsters subsidize the old, the healthy the sick, etc. And when those young folks get old, they are subsidized by the people not born when they started work. It's how all health insurance actually works, including Medicare.

    If you've got a better idea, love to hear it. If you underwrite a 60 year old with diabetes, and charge him the full cost, he's pretty much uninsurable and therefore will never get health insurance unless he's well into the top 10% or so. If that 60 year old has survived cancer, he'll never get insurance of any kind. So what is the ObamacareFail plan other than throwing bricks at any idea anyone else comes up with?
    Start with repealing Obamacare. The goal should have been to make health insurance better...not worse. Obamacare has made it horribly worse.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Yes. Doing nothing would have meant prices continuing to rise rapidly, single payer would stop prices from rising, the public option would give us slowly rising prices and it was hoped that the ACA would give us prices rising at a moderate rate, which it has in fact achieved.

    That's why we want single payer and when it became clear that could happen, tried for the public option, but you guys managed to block that too, so the ACA was the best we could get in terms of prices.
    While reform was needed, doing nothing at all would have been less damaging then obamacare. And single payer is just "stupid". When you take the profit incentive out of medical care, you end up with very limited medical care and waiting lists and rationing follows.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sounds good - all it takes is the declaration? Love it.

    Taxes are unconstitutional! Can I quit filing my taxes now?
    Be my guest. However taxes are not unconstitutional,.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's called single payer. Every developed country on the planet has some version of it. Everyone is covered, far cheaper, excellent results, etc. But that's socialism, which is great for Grandma, but will ruin the country if it's extended to the rest of us.
    Every developed nation with any version of single payer also has waiting lists and rationing. And it's not cheaper. It merely costs the government less, because the government is providing less. And the results are not better.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You people either have no idea what you are doing or do and that is what makes you dangerous
    Either that, or we are just way more informed than you are. Which do you think is more likely?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh, of course. It's all my fault. Instead of listening to someone who has been paying her insurance for decades without begging for someone else to assist her, let's listen to politicians who don't know anything about medicine or business, and let's listen to the people who can't afford to take care of themselves and their families. And if I cost shopped, it would all be affordable!

    You can cheerlead the ACA to someone else, Greenbeard. You do it well, and I'm sure you can find someone else who needs help to pay his/her bills to high five and got Daddy Obama to do it. I'm not one of those people.
    And those same politicians strangely exempt themselves from Obamacare.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The claim of prices rising more slowly is an outright DNC lie.
    Actually, no, it has been confirmed by dozens of sources at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    While reform was needed, doing nothing at all would have been less damaging then obamacare.
    In what regard? 15 million more people have access to healthcare. That doesn't even register with you as a big success? Costs have been rising more slowly, people with pre-existing conditions are no longer screwed, the deficit has been reduced... None of the Republican predictions have come true- not one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    And single payer is just "stupid". When you take the profit incentive out of medical care, you end up with very limited medical care and waiting lists and rationing follows.
    We don't need to guess what happens. Virtually the entire developed world other than the US has single payer. The result is higher quality care, far better access to health care and far lower costs. That isn't something we need to speculate about at this point, it is just a measurable fact.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    That is how all insurance pools work not just the ACA's. Young and "healthy" people get sick and injured all the time yet they game the system knowing they can't be turned away if the unthinkable happens. That's why we have the mandate. Ending pre-existing conditions requires that everyone be insured too.
    The young and healthy have been getting sticker shock since obamacare passed. They had never expected insurance premiums to cost more then monthy car payments and mortgage payments. Yes I know about risk pools, however prior to obamacare, the risk was spread based on common sense. If you had bad habits such as smoking or heavy drinking, obesity, etc, you and others in your category shared the brunt of the risk. That's why health insurance companies offered lower rates for those with less bad habits.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Am I mistaken or do not the more series levies etc. kick in after Obama leaves?

    You see, can kicking governments forget the negative legacy may backfire, in this case as the dues, as they say, come due, there will be pressure for change. This is the first chance since "You can keep your plan" for Americans to make their wishes known to a presidential candidate. If Obamacare does NOT become a major issue in this run, the Republicans do not deserve to be a political party.

    In the meantime, were I a GOP candidate I would be talking about "reforming" it in "fairness" from the core out, as opposed to repealing it, as "the way it was has now become unacceptable". They will have to have a well defined and well thought out alternative.
    You are correct. The employer mandate does not kick in for midsized employers until 2016. The moron president(Obama) will be in office until late Januiary 2017, however his leftwing soul mates in the democrat party will be the ones who will have to face the voters. And you are right...the GOP will have to unify around a well defined and well thought out option if they are motivated to repeal obamacare. The need to stop running from their own shadows as they did in the lead up to the latest supreme court decision.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Either that, or we are just way more informed than you are. Which do you think is more likely?
    I am sure that is what you think but as we have seen liberals have zero credibility for results don't matter and are trumped by feel good rhetoric. I am a reformed liberal as I got tired of spending in the name of compassion and never getting compassionate results. You see, you think with your heart, judge everyone else by your own standards, and ignore the reality that there is evil in the world and even in the liberal ranks, evil looking to line their own pockets by keeping people dependent. without dependence there wouldn't be a need for liberalism.

    If you truly believe in what you post please tell us all how having a 18.2 trillion dollar debt, over 100 million Americans on some form of taxpayer assistance(excluding SS and Medicare), having a 3.9 trillion dollar govt. is compassionate? You see, liberal arrogance means spending more on compassionate programs whereas the other compassionate liberals didn't spend the money right in the first place.

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