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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It's their obligation to work on legislation as they see fit. I prefer Republicans not clean up the mess Democrats made. It's their plan, they passed it without a single Republican vote, in the dead of night, during the Holidays. Let them clean up their mess. If people are unsatisfied, let them remember who was responsible.

    Seems very fair to me.
    Who knows about fair, but their damn job is to govern. If they don't like the law, their job now is to change it, not bitch about it.

    And democrats can't clean up their mess because the GOP controls Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Then the remedy is legislative change.

    The ultimate point of the Supreme Court is to decide on the merit of a challenge based the case made vs. the wording of the law in question and that case made. It is not the purpose of the Supreme Court to determine what should happen when the government *thinks* something should have happened according to legislative plan, but did not for whatever reason.

    ACA as written is very explicit in what tax credits and subsidies are to be applied to, and in seven separate parts of ACA it explicitly says "Exchange established by the State." What ACA does *not* say about tax credits and subsidies is an exchange established by the State or the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

    The dissenting opinion is right, the Federal argument should have failed forcing Congressional remedy for the mistake made.
    Obviously reasonable minds can come to different conclusions. The point was there was legal precedent on both sides. It's just not a slam dunk case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Maybe the Cons will finally stop trying to rely on legislation from the bench. Perhaps they will get smart and actually work WITH the PPACA (fix the legislation, where appropriate and expand state exchanges), because they are out of options in working against it.
    you can't fix garbage. which is exactly what obamcare is. garbage.
    the only way to fix it is to scrap it and start over.
    the SCOTUS got this wrong again.

    the intent was not to give every person subsidies. the intent was to force states to setup exchanges and the incentive was to give them subsidies in return.
    that is why they wrote the law the way they did.

    of course the SCOTUS is just covering their rear end because the got the first decision on obamacare wrong as well. Roberts is trying to protect himself and instead of
    standing up for the constitution they continue to hand more and more power over to the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    This is really good stuff. Glad that we don't have to re-legislate the entire healthcare law and now we can focus on using the tools it provides to supply better healthcare for cheaper.
    they are expecting a 20-40% increase again this year on obamacare plans how is that getting cheaper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    AMERICA.....HAS JUST BEEN GRUBERED!
    The lesson here is lying and deception to gain support for a law once passed is A-OK. All the politicians have to do is say, "Well, we did it for your own good" and all is forgiven.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Didn't realize they had a veto proof majority.
    They don't but does that mean until they get a veto proof majority, the GOPers only job is to sit on their asses and bitch all day long about democrats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Who knows about fair, but their damn job is to govern. If they don't like the law, their job now is to change it, not bitch about it.

    And democrats can't clean up their mess because the GOP controls Congress.
    democrats had a chance to clean up their mess and they failed. they had a chance to stop it before the mess began to begin with.
    they can't change the law Obama refuses and veto's any change made to it.

    we will have to wait till 2016 when he is voted out to get this destructive law out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They don't but does that mean until they get a veto proof majority, the GOPers only job is to sit on their asses and bitch all day long about democrats?
    then please tell me what they can pass to fix this mess (there is no fixing this the way the bill is by the way) that Obama won't veto or democrats won't filibuster?
    enlighten us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The problem I have with all of this is that it is not something that was written years and years ago, it is a new piece of legislation and they could have written "federal" in there just as easily as the wrote "state". They didn't.
    Words don't matter anymore? Thanks, SCOTUS, you suck.
    Words dont mean what they mean, they mean what they ought to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Hmmm...my insurance dropped to $80 per month, no co-pay, no prescription fee, no difference whether in-vs-out of network coverage, no deductible. I pay $80 a month, and I can get literally any health care I need with no out-of-pocket cost. Ditto the other members of my immediate family. Most of the people I know experienced similar salutary effects. I don't know anyone whose premium increased. The stories I've read of people who did have increased premiums were of people who had super-high deductibles and co-pays or something beforehand, which plans the insurance companies decided to drop.
    it only dropped because you get a subsidy. if you have a good job and have a family and aren't single then well you get screwed.
    we taxpayers are paying for you to get your drop in premium.

    I have had nothing but major premium increases as my company has to comply with obamacare and they shove more of the cost onto me.

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