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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    So.when the SC Legalizes SSM and rules in favor of the ACA again somehow liberals still believe the SC is right wing. Fantastic!

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Care to expand on that? The thing is, it's a three-legged stool. Remove one of the legs, it all topples.

    --Everyone is covered. No exeptions for pre-existing conditions, etc.
    --Everyone pays for their insurance. No free-loaders who jack up the costs for the rest of us.
    --Subsidies for those who need help paying the premiums.

    Those are the essentials. Everything else are add-ons.
    You are kidding, right? The freeloaders are the ones accepting the subsidies. And the price has been jacked up for the rest of us.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That is classic sour grapes. Yes, all those activist judges appointed by conservatives that are lying in wait to write liberal legislation. Forgive my laughter. I know its rude.
    I don't care who appointed them. They acted as activist judges. I do not give them a pass if they claim to be conservative or were appointed by a conservative. They did not interpret the law in regards to Obamacare, they in effect rewrote it. And I really do not give a damn about your laughter.

    The reality is that if you bring a frivolous lawsuit, which this was, you get shot down 6 to 3, with the only 3 votes from activist justices. The only reason this went to the SOCTUS was so they could write a comprehensive decision to take away the idea that you could look to the courts to undo legislation. This is what they did: shut down the courts as a method of killing/hurting the PPACA.
    You clearly do not have the foggiest clue about how the US Supreme Court is supposed to work. Nor do you have even a basic understanding of the Separation of Powers. What the US Supreme Court in effect did in regards to Obamacare, they became part of the legislative branch. Instead of interpreting the law, they altered it. That is not supposed to happen without it going back through the legislative process. In effect, the US Supreme Court just told the entire US population that their elected representatives do not matter.

    Its time to work WITH the bill, as options to work against it are all but gone.
    As long as we have a rogue president coupled with a rogue US Supreme Court Obamacare will remain. Obama is gone in early 2017. Anything is possible afterwards. Obamacare is unconstitutional. I will not support any politician who does not work to repeal the ponzi scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    It's not even close to being Constitutional, lol...

    No rational, informed, honest person would conclude that it is Constitutional. Only corrupt, dishonest, activist jurists would approve it. Exhibit A: The SCOTUS. All 9 need to be impeached.
    Actually just six of them need to be impeached. Thomas, Scalia, and Alito do their jobs as the constitution intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Are you saying the conservative SCOTUS is legislating from the bench?
    Is that the best you can do? You are showing yourself to be the real partisan. Real conservatives do not give a justice a pass on bad decisions due to party affiliation. If a decision is wrong......it is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I have never heard anything but a pathetically shallow argument drawing a distinction between Romneycare and Obamacare. OK, you have the floor, please explain to all of us the difference and why this is so important. Creating a national healthcare system, across state lines, likely requires a national mandate.

    To have the healthcare system work, as well articulated by Roberts, we need to be certain all are covered (despite pre-existing conditions), it is affordable (tax credits) and all participate (mandate). If you want to do this on a national basis, and the appetite of Americans pre-2009, was that was the case, then you need to do these things across state lines...

    That all said, most of this is moot, as this is here to stay... if people want to change it, they need to be working WITH the law as working against it is futile.
    Working with an unconstitutional law? Sorry. We on the conservative side will fight it for however long it takes to remove it.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Too cute by half. 25 million "lost" their coverage because of Obamacare? It's a standard Fox "News" line, but it's fundamentally dishonest. "Lost" usually suggests permanence with no recourse. Is that what those people actually experienced? Or is it the case that what they "lost" was actually replaced by something better? Something that would actually cover them when they needed it?
    Come on, can't you do better than tired Fox sound bites?
    I am one of the 25 million, son. I have the cancellation letter to prove it.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So.when the SC Legalizes SSM and rules in favor of the ACA again somehow liberals still believe the SC is right wing. Fantastic!
    It most definitely is conservative. Very conservative actually. Three of the justices are straight up tea party right wing nutjobs. Then, two are more like mainstream Republicans and four are like mainstream Democrats.

    Most mainstream Republicans didn't want either bans on same sex marriage or to take the subsidies away from poor people in red states. The polls on both those issues found that the majority of moderate Republicans or non-tea-party-supporting Republicans were with the Democrats on those issues, as those 1 and 2 justices were.

    What you're seeing is that the Supreme Court isn't majority tea party nutjob. That's certainly true. But it definitely is conservative.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Actually I think it was a crushing recession that cost the party in power--as they always do.
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    The wrong party was blamed for that recession. In any case.....I would like to assume that you did notice that your party in very short order lost control of both houses of congress largely due to obamacare.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    It most definitely is conservative. Very conservative actually. Three of the justices are straight up tea party right wing nutjobs. Then, two are more like mainstream Republicans and four are like mainstream Democrats.

    Most mainstream Republicans didn't want either bans on same sex marriage or to take the subsidies away from poor people in red states. The polls on both those issues found that the majority of moderate Republicans or non-tea-party-supporting Republicans were with the Democrats on those issues, as those 1 and 2 justices were.

    What you're seeing is that the Supreme Court isn't majority tea party nutjob. That's certainly true. But it definitely is conservative.
    So conservatives support or wish to maintain the ACA subsidies? Where are these conservatives, again? I don't know about republicans as I have honestly stopped paying them any mind, but I don't recall ever hearing a conservative not opposed to the ACA subsidies.

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